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UMC - The Prime Evil of Our Time

rockytopva

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The United Methodist Church (UMC) was officially formed on April 23, 1968, in Dallas, Texas. Local church properties became "in trust" to the UMC Conference, requiring departing congregations to pay for their property and settle liabilities to leave. With all the changes in the UMC this has resulted in long and bitter lawsuits. In which I consider the prime evil of our time. John Wesley frowned on the denomination idea to begin with... As he did with Francis Asbury and Thomas Coke (1747–1814) a foundational British bishop in American Methodism in the letter below....

LONDON
September 20, 1788

My Dear Brother:

There is, indeed, a wide difference between the relation wherein you stand to the Americans and the relation wherein I stand to all the Methodists. You are the elder brother of the American Methodists: I am under God the father of the whole family. Therefore I naturally care for you all in a manner no other persons can do. Therefore I in a measure provide for you all; for the supplies which Dr. Coke provides for you, he could not provide were it not for me, were it not that I not only permit him to collect but also support him in so doing.

But in one point, my dear brother, I am a little afraid both the Doctor and you differ from me. I study to be little: you study to be great. I creep; you strut along. I found a school: you a college! [Cokesbury College] nay, and call it after your own names! Oh beware, do not seek to be something! Let me be nothing, and "Christ be all in all!"

One instance of this, of your greatness, has given me great concern. How can you, how dare you suffer yourself to be called Bishop? I shudder, I start at the very thought! Men may call me a knave or a fool, a rascal, a scoundrel, and I am content; but they shall never by my consent call me Bishop! For my sake, for God's sake, for Christ's sake put a full end to this! Let the Presbyterians do what they please, but let the Methodists know their calling better.

Thus, my dear Franky (Francis Asbury), I have told you all that is in my heart. And let this, when I am no more seen, bear witness how sincerely I am Your affectionate friend and brother,

John Wesley
 

rockytopva

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And a little Methodist church I enjoy visiting who were run out of their church by the UMC conference and had to move into a new building...

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rockytopva

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To destroy a church is as evil as things get. If the bishops wanted to make radical changes they should have let those in disagreement leave on their own free will.
 

rockytopva

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If I am in disagreement over a local congregation the correct thing for me to do is just leave. To gossip, play political games, backbite, sue people, run them out of the church, and things like that is as evil as things get.
 

atpollard

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The Church (both local and universal) is, as it ever was, the PEOPLE and not the BUILDING. Ultimately, the building without the people is just an old, overly ornate, assembly hall with (typically) uncomfortable seating. The POWER and the WEALTH departs with the Body of believers.
 

rockytopva

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The Methodist Episcopal Church - South was one of the most spiritual organizations of its time. Its span was from 1844 to 1939, about a hundred year span. Some of my favorite readings come from this era and I have posted a thread in the Methodist forum that currently has 13,000 views. I love the Methodist church... Just not the UMC Methodist. Especially after ruining the movement!

I even did a little study here. In which is one of my favorite studies. I wish people would have known what they were getting into with the UMC.

 

Jerome

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Salty!

It was formed by white Methodists who "feared racial integration" in the 1930s reunification of the Northern and Southern Methodist Episcopal Churches.


"When the reunited denomination was established in May 1939, some four hundred opponents to union met in Columbia on June 7, 1940, to form the South Carolina Conference of the Methodist Episcopal Church, South. They created a denomination without bishops and added to the Methodist Articles of Religion statements on creationism, premillennialism, Satan, and racial segregation....the withdrawing group adopted as its name the Southern Methodist Church and established in Orangeburg both its national headquarters and Southern Methodist College. In 1999 the denomination listed 7,686 members in 117 churches stretching from Virginia to Texas."
 
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atpollard

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I know that it is popular to shake your fist at "denominations" when splits occur and members are forced to surrender their buildings ... but I disagree with the anger. At the inception, the founding body had a choice to make.

A) Does the LOCAL BODY answer to CHRIST with no intervening human authority?
B) Does the LOCAL BODY place itself under the authority of an intermediary Human Authority (the Denomination) with the Denomination answering to CHRIST?


They made a choice. Every member that joined that Local Church affirmed that choice and made an oath to submit to that Denomination.
If you are unhappy with the DENOMINATION, then you leave. However the denomination DOES own the buildings because the leaders (even corrupt and ungodly leaders) are the authority of the DENOMINATION.

When Jesus overthrew the old order, he did not attempt to claim the Temple that Herod had built ... Jesus took his faithful and built a new "temple" (not with human hands). As we "render to Caesar what belongs to Caesar", so we must "render to the UMC what belongs to the UMC. The LOCAL BODY just paid a high price to learn a valuable lesson and may want to consider adopting one of the "Baptist Distinctives" (LOCAL AUTONOMY) for their Local Church as they build a new place to gather.
 

rockytopva

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Remembering the "Blue Stocking Presbyterian" Puritan who would bleach their black socks in protest over some Anglican rule. The black socks would bleach out blue.
 
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