Understanding 1 peter 1:1-2

[Rippon]

my pastor said the issue is not translation, but source text, and that the NASB was an EXCELLENT translation, the only problem is that it is an excellent translation of a corrupt text. But as far as being a translation, it was the best of all the MVs.

I would think he would like the NKJV since it uses the same underlying text as the KJV.

But I believe that though there is substantial agreement between the CT and the RT, the 7% or so of mainly additions to God's Word which the KJV and NKJV have, show corruption of that text.

Anyway,this is off-topic. Feel free to start a thread about it in the appropriate forum.

 

[Van]

1 Peter 1:1-2 NASB:

‘Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.”

Peter uses covenant language, pointing to Mount Sinai and Exodus 24, but clarifies that the covenant in view is the New Covenant in the blood of Christ. Peter is Christ’s apostle and refers to himself with the name given him by Jesus.

Next we encounter phrases, which modify or describe how his audience became chosen aliens. First it was according to the foreknowledge of God – God’s redemption plan was to choose believers for His own possession. Second they became chosen aliens by the sanctifying work of the Spirit. Here “sanctifying work” refers to God setting the person apart – spiritually in Christ – rather than the process of sanctification that occurs once a person is placed spiritually in Christ. And third, we have the phrase “to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood.

In summary, the encouragement provided by Peter’s first letter is based on the readers understanding that they are aliens suffering difficulty in the world because they were chosen out of the world and made citizens of the kingdom through the New Covenant in His blood.

Since 1 Peter 1:1-2 uses "by the sanctifying work of the Spirit to describe how the chosen aliens came to their present situation, without any "for salvation" to be found, it is clear that "by the sanctifying work of the Spirit" and "through the sanctification by the Spirit" (2 Thessalonians 2:13) both refer to God setting individuals apart in Christ as the means of being chosen, not saved.

 

[Iconoclast]

Exactly, when God created the world He created not only time but everything associated with it including "before". Now explain how something can be done "before" the advent of time? Clearly all pre and for language associated with God is anthropomorphic (not to mention your perceived "gotcha" proof texts)

Now explain how something can be done "before" the advent of time?

Well, lets see WD.God is eternal......he then creates.....that indicates a time before the creation....when you have a creation, it implies a time before creation

not to mention your perceived "gotcha" proof texts)

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The Gotcha proof texts...must have gotcha,because you did not respond to them.I think you can see what they are getting at,but you must avoid the obvious meaning of the verses or concede the point.
Come on WD.....you can do better

 

[webdog]

I can do better?! You have just stated you believe in the concept of time before the creation of it! Replying to anything filtered through such nonsense would be equally nonsensical. Not sure if you intended to, but by claiming there is time before the creation of time you have just bound God to something created...and I thought your doctrine gave God ultimate sovereignty!

 

[Skandelon]

I can do better?! You have just stated you believe in the concept of time before the creation of it! Replying to anything filtered through such nonsense would be equally nonsensical. Not sure if you intended to, but by claiming there is time before the creation of time you have just bound God to something created...and I thought your doctrine gave God ultimate sovereignty!

:applause::applause::applause:

 

[Iconoclast]

I can do better?! You have just stated you believe in the concept of time before the creation of it! Replying to anything filtered through such nonsense would be equally nonsensical. Not sure if you intended to, but by claiming there is time before the creation of time you have just bound God to something created...and I thought your doctrine gave God ultimate sovereignty!

wd.....In The mind of God there is always time....When he reveals this to moses in Gen1 it was not a new idea....but being scripture is a revelation to man...[in time] God gives account of it.[for our benefit.

i do not care for the philosphical,and jumping on words...now if you could address the scripture passages sometime

 

[webdog]

wd.....In The mind of God there is always time....When he reveals this to moses in Gen1 it was not a new idea....but being scripture is a revelation to man...[in time] God gives account of it.[for our benefit.

i do not care for the philosphical,and jumping on words...now if you could address the scripture passages sometime

If I recall, these questions I had posed to you first remain unanswered...yet you want me to address further passages. Maybe you can address it sometime

"Did God literally reach in the womb with a needle and thread to create Jeremiah? Did God literally choose those with faith in Christ to live eternally?"

Also, it's quite hypocritical to state you do not care for the philosophical...yet give just that with "In the mind of God there is always time". Fact is there is no before or after with a timeless God.

 

[Iconoclast]

If I recall, these questions I had posed to you first remain unanswered...yet you want me to address further passages. Maybe you can address it sometime

"Did God literally reach in the womb with a needle and thread to create Jeremiah? Did God literally choose those with faith in Christ to live eternally?"

Also, it's quite hypocritical to state you do not care for the philosophical...yet give just that with "In the mind of God there is always time". Fact is there is no before or after with a timeless God.

Wd

Did God literally choose those with faith in Christ to live eternally?"

No, he chose a multitude of sinners,dead in sin[rom5] and gave them repentance and faith.

"Did God literally reach in the womb with a needle and thread to create Jeremiah?

I do not know what God has not revealed, but if you notice i responded with ex4

10And Moses said unto the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

11And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

12Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.

Wd
God does whatever he wants however he wants....he says he forms people in the womb I do not analyze how or why God does it, I just believe what he says. If God uses a metaphor, or a parable, or a simile, an anthropromorhism ...it always represents a literal truth

You move the discussion into the realm of words,and the philosophical, I believe you do so hoping to catch me personally,if I mis-use a word, or am not clear in one of my statements....This reminds me of this;

2And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him

I think you would be better served to address the verses offered.

Also, it's quite hypocritical to state you do not care for the philosophical...yet give just that with "In the mind of God there is always time". Fact is there is no before or after with a timeless God

I offered Gal 4 here.....you dismissed it .

Even though God is above time, he still Acts in and controls it.

God is controlling time and God’s actions are all worked out on a very definite plan and according to a very definite scheme. You cannot read the Bible without seeing that quite clearly and quite definitely. God made the world, and at a certain point history began. But man sinned and fell. Then God intervened. Again it seemed as if the process was going on apart from God, but then God intervened again. You notice all along how He did things — it all happened ‘in due time’ — that is a biblical term which is constantly employed. So we see that although God is above and beyond time, He still controls and acts in time. He has set the time process and the historical process going and then He comes into it; if you like, He enters into it from the outside. That still does not make God a part of the time process, but it does show His control over it and His interference with it, according to His own eternal will and counsel.

ML Jones
Like I said ....you take it to the philosophical....take it to the scriptural if you can....if you cannot that is ok, I understand.

I think however you have a few other concerns that you need to look to...I think you recently posted something about Jesus ....having a sin nature??or sinful flesh??? I do not remember exactly, but I know it was off the reservation.

 

[Van]

1 Peter 1:1-2 NASB:

‘Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.”

Peter uses covenant language, pointing to Mount Sinai and Exodus 24, but clarifies that the covenant in view is the New Covenant in the blood of Christ. Peter is Christ’s apostle and refers to himself with the name given him by Jesus.

Next we encounter phrases, which modify or describe how his audience became chosen aliens. First it was according to the foreknowledge of God – God’s redemption plan was to choose believers for His own possession. Second they became chosen aliens by the sanctifying work of the Spirit. Here “sanctifying work” refers to God setting the person apart – spiritually in Christ – rather than the process of sanctification that occurs once a person is placed spiritually in Christ. And third, we have the phrase “to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood.

In summary, the encouragement provided by Peter’s first letter is based on the readers understanding that they are aliens suffering difficulty in the world because they were chosen out of the world and made citizens of the kingdom through the New Covenant in His blood.

Since 1 Peter 1:1-2 uses "by the sanctifying work of the Spirit to describe how the chosen aliens came to their present situation, without any "for salvation" to be found, it is clear that "by the sanctifying work of the Spirit" and "through the sanctification by the Spirit" (2 Thessalonians 2:13) both refer to God setting individuals apart in Christ as the means of being chosen, not saved.

Please stay on topic folks. If you want to discuss the topic of time at length in post after post, start a new thread.

 

[webdog]

No, he chose a multitude of sinners,dead in sin[rom5] and gave them repentance and faith.

I know what your party line is...but you said that no, God does not choose believers to live eternally. Does He also choose unbelievers? Are you a hyper calvinist?

I do not know what God has not revealed, but if you notice i responded with ex4
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10And Moses said unto the LORD, O my LORD, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.

11And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

12Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.


Wd
God does whatever he wants however he wants....he says he forms people in the womb I do not analyze how or why God does it, I just believe what he says. If God uses a metaphor, or a parable, or a simile, an anthropromorhism ...it always represents a literal truth

That is FIGURATIVE language. Do you not know what that means?! You know exactly how people are formed. There is a man and a woman, and they come together...

You say it represents a literal truth, but then turn around and use the figurative language AS literal truth! You are all over the map on this!

You move the discussion into the realm of words,and the philosophical, I believe you do so hoping to catch me personally,if I mis-use a word, or am not clear in one of my statements....This reminds me of this;

Don't judge my motives. The Bible is given to us in words, is it not? As I have already shown, you use just as much philosophy as anyone, and calvinism is built on philosophy.

2And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him

Now you are Jesus...and I'm the pharissee? Nice.

I think you would be better served to address the verses offered.

Seriously, what is there to address? The Bible is full of poetic and figurative language. Supplying figurative language, and using it literally while stating "now deal with this passage" is foolish as you do not even know what it means and how to take it!

I offered Gal 4 here.....you dismissed it .

Dismiss what part of Galatians 4?

Even though God is above time, he still Acts in and controls it.

...and I've never said anything contrary to this.

Like I said ....you take it to the philosophical....take it to the scriptural if you can....if you cannot that is ok, I understand.

You cannot even deal with the logical using your philosophical theology in trying to fit the square peg of literal understanding into the round circle of figurative language.

I think however you have a few other concerns that you need to look to...I think you recently posted something about Jesus ....having a sin nature??or sinful flesh??? I do not remember exactly, but I know it was off the reservation.

Red herring. Deal with your own illogical concerns...and remove the mote from your own eye first, then deal with that topic in it's own thread.

 

[Van]

The Bible says we are chosen individually by the means of the sanctification by the Spirit. Sanctification refers to God setting us apart spiritually in Christ, and the agent or instrument used is the person of the Holy Spirit. Paul taught we are baptized into one Body by one Spirit.