Understanding 2 Peter 3:5

[Van]

Before the foundation of the κόσμου [kosmos, world, system as translated by scripture4all implying order, configuration as translated by Westcott and Hort implying order in order for the Son of God to be manifested as the Son of Man to destroy the devil and his works would it require the creation of man in the image of his creator yet subject to, the death, brought fourth by the sin?

Did the devil and his works need to be destroyed before man was created?

I have no idea why anyone would claim the devil was "destroyed" before humans were created. Talk about ignoring scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

As for the "down casting" of the "Kosmos" (humanity) we can read about it in Genesis. Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden due to the consequence of sin.

 

[percho]

I have no idea why anyone would claim the devil was "destroyed" before humans were created. Talk about ignoring scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

As for the "down casting" of the "Kosmos" (humanity) we can read about it in Genesis. Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden due to the consequence of sin.

I never said the devil was destroyed before Adam was created.

I asked if the devil had done devilish works before Adam was created. Works worthy of needing destruction? Why was the earth without form and void with darkness upon the face of the deep in Genesis 1:2? Do you believe God created the earth without form and void in darkness of deep, waters?

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

That in bold is the exact opposite of what Gen 1:2 says the created earth was like when God spoke out of darkness light to shine.

 

[Van]

I never said the devil was destroyed before Adam was created.

I asked if the devil had done devilish works before Adam was created. Works worthy of needing destruction? Why was the earth without form and void with darkness upon the face of the deep in Genesis 1:2? Do you believe God created the earth without form and void in darkness of deep, waters?

Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

That in bold is the exact opposite of what Gen 1:2 says the created earth was like when God spoke out of darkness light to shine.

I stand corrected, here is what you said:

Did the devil and his works need to be destroyed before man was created?​

The distinction you claim between God creating the earth and God forming the earth is none existent. Both refer to God causing the earth to exist.

If the earth was not created, formed, made and established until day three, it did not exist when God created the heavens on day two or before, on day one.

There is absolutely no conflict between Genesis 1:2 and Isaiah 45:18.

 

[Van]

Returning to topic:

2 Peter 3:5 NASB
For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God heavens existed long ago and earth was formed out of water and by water,

Our first question is just who are the "they" that claim something wrong? It is the "mocker" following their own fleshly desires, rather than submitting to God.

Second, how does truth "escape" the mockers notice? One school of thought is that they are blind to the truth, the other school thinks they are willfully ignorant of the truth, meaning they know what scripture proclaims, but ignore it.

The third and last question concerns "water." In this usage "water" refers to the unknown primary element of creation. And not just the static unknown material, but also its dynamic effect, such as rain or a deluge shaping the environment

Based on these observations, what conclusions might we draw?

False teachers, spreading false doctrine do so out of blindness or willful animosity to truth.

Second, the view that the heavens and earth have always existed and will always exist is false according to scripture.

Third, by the Logos of God, the heavens existed long ago, then the earth was formed from unknown material by unknown forces of the Logos of God.