Understanding Partial Rapture

DHK,

I feel your pain, brother. Slick Willy is from my hometown of Little Rock.

And to think we kept electing this guy to office. Well, not me, of course, since I wasn't old enough to vote back then. I would have written in Reagan, if I could have.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Bro. Griffin,

I am sure that you disagree with Ruckman's teaching on rapture. You are right, God disagrees with men's teaching on partial rapture.

I want to show you what Ruckman saying about rapture in the book:

The long and short of it is that the Bible teaches three raptures:

1. The Rapture of the Old Testament saints at the resurrection of Christ (Matt 27:50-54, Eph 4:8-12)

2. The Rapture of New Testament saints of the Church Age (1 Cor. 15:49-53, 1 Thess 4:13-18)

3. The Rapture of Tribulation saints at the end of the Tribulation (Matt 24, Rev 11)

in Ruckman's commentary of Revelation - pp. 108

Also, he say:

The first resurrection, then has three parts.

there are three "catching ups":

1. "Firstfruits"-Old Testament saints at the resurrection of Christ

2. "Harvest"- New Testament saints at the Rapture of the church at the end of the Church Age.

3. "Gleanings" - Tribulation saints at the Second Advent- pp. 109

Ruckman does not claim that he teaching partial rapture, or neither saying that he is partial rapturist. Although, his teaching on it, it sounds like partial rapture to mew very clear. Himself a baptist, and KJV Onlyism.

5 years ago, I visited church in Rochester, NY. That church own bookstore. I looked at new books, booklets, etc. I notice the booklets of Ruckman's. I notice a booklet of Ruckman, it says, "Two Raptures", the picture on the front of the booklet shows, two pictures with each verse of rapture- church rapture 1 Thess 4:17; second, Israel rapture Matt 24:31. That booklet makes me so laughed. But, I didn't buy it. Because I dislike Ruckman's attitude in these books, that he always criticize, attack against pastors, colleges, churches, religions, etc.

I am sure there are several baptists out there in America, are teaching on partial rapture.

In the first of 18 Centuries, no Christian teach on partial rapture, they believed there is the only ONE future coming of Christ at the end of the world.

Today, both partial rapture and pretrib rapture have their own guesswork to interpreting the Bible. Also, they have their own philosophy and theory in their own intepreting what the Bible. I disagree with their intepreting.

The resurrection will be occur at the LAST DAY - John 6:39,40,44, & 54, clearly, it will be occur at Christ's coming on the last day of the world, not suppose 7 years apart or 1000 years apart either.

I rather follow the Bible than what men saying.

Many baptists saying they do not believe in partial rapture. They believe in one rapture. Yet, most baptists saying rapture is NOT at the second advent. Huh??? Their belief are much conflict with the Bible. They do not realize that partial rapture is part of pretrib doctrine.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

Troy: "I am here to help you with the truth
of your mistaken assumptions."

I've been on bulletin boards for 20 years, less one month.
About ten years ago i liked to say this:

I am the voice of one crying in the cyber wilderness
"ease modify the way to the Lord!"

John 1:23 (KJV1769):

He said, I am the voice of one
crying in the wilderness,
Make straight the way of the Lord,
as said the prophet Esaias.

Troy: "You guys are all a bunch of denominations
based onfalse principles, ... "

Syntactic analysis - nada
Syntactic synthesis:

1. author is paranoid.
Check with your mental health professiona.

2. person = denomination?
I though a denomonation was a collection
of person. But here on exciting Baptist Board,
each of us is our own denominations.
Actually i think this is a Freudian slip,
the nature of Baptist belief is that
each person is a denomination unto themselves.
Or, in the words of Will Rogers (1920s comedian):
"A member of an organizated political party! I beg your
parden, i've been a Democrat all my life."

3. /left for the student as an exercise/

...

DeafPostTrib: "They do not realize that partial rapture
is part of pretrib doctrine."

You, sir, do not understand "partial rapture".
Partial rapture is no part of pretribulation doctrine.
Partial rapture is when NOT ALL of a particular group
are raptured, some being raptured based on some criteria,
some being left behind. Pretrib doctrine does have multiple
raptures. But everytime there is a rapture, every person
on God's list at that time is raptured, not just part.

 

DeafPosttrib: "Yet, most baptists saying rapture is NOT at the second advent. Huh???"

Here is my pretribulation rapture teaching
again. Try reading it somtime,
we don't expect you to agree, but at
least try to figure it out:

The pretribulation rapture/resurrection
is the same 7-year-day as the
Second Advent of Jesus in power and might
to destroy the antichrist and set up
a PHYSICAL millinnial kingdom on the
earth.

 

Exactamundo!!!!

 

Check the order of events in Matthew 24 that Jesus answers in response to questions about the end. There is a lot that would be put totally out of sequence, or in confusing sequence, by traditional pretrib rapture, literal 7-year tribulation positions.

The Worm

 

However, if you
realized that Jesus didn't answer in
time order but in question order
(the order of the questions asked in
Matthew 24:3):

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In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables.

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceeding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. I believe the major
outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the
Rapture/resurrection which ends the
current church age (gentile age, age of grace,
last days, etc&gt

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the
church age even up to this time.
Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age.
The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs
that the church age continues.

 

The difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming is noticed by these points.

At the rapture the 'church' is taken to Heaven. {I Thess. 4:13-18} Notice the faith related words such as 'brethren, asleep, sorrow not, believing that Jesus died, rose again, the Lord will shout, the trumpet of God, in Christ, caught up, meeting the Lord, and comfort.'

In Revelation 19:11-21 we see the Second Coming. Heaven is opened and a white horse descends. There is no uniquely colored white horse at the rapture. An army from Heaven mentioned in Revelation; none is spoken of in I Thessalonians. In the Revelation passage Jesus comes to 'tread the winepress' of evil sinners; in Thessalonians He only comes for His own people, the people of God who are saved. No crown is seen on Jesus' head in Thessalonians because His day of Coronation in Heaven has not yet happened. But in Revelation 19 Jesus is viewed, after His Coronation Day after having been crowned King, wearing many diademns/crowns. In Thessalonians Jesus will take the saved to Heaven; in Revelation nineteen Christ takes vengeance on the wicked lost ones.

Berrian, Th.D.