Ray Berrian
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Let's keep importing and buying our things from China, so they will have everything they need to be a superpower in the nuclear arena.
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'United States planning a military strike against Iran'
- Thread starter JGrubbs
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It is useless to cry over spilt milk. I doubt that the USA will act. I believe that we will leave it to Israel to do the dirty work. However, I do think that it would be easier and better for us to do it. It would facilitate our withdrawal from the Middle East in my opinion by showing the Arab League that there will be no more Koreas, no more Viet Nams, no more retreats in the face of terrible losses. We have to show the Arab League that we are marching to victory and that we are willing to smash Islam to bits if necessary.
The only question is if the American people have the stomach for a serious war or if we are as depraved as our culture is becoming.
The only question is if the American people have the stomach for a serious war or if we are as depraved as our culture is becoming.
That may come from a very idealistic "If we leave them alone, they'll leave us alone" kind of worldview. But that isn't very realistic in our day and age.
Our founders were blessed with the kind of isolation that allowed them absolute idealism. We aren't.
There are people who would like to destroy us because they disagree with our ideals. They can reach us before we could possibly organize an effect defense. In fact, a nation with nuclear ICBM's could defeat us in a matter of minutes with only a few well placed strikes.
fromtheright
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poncho,
Are there any circumstances in which it would be reasonable for the United States to plan for a military strike against Iran? What about to actually attack them?
BTW, the military keeps a multitude of plans for various mililtary options. It's just the smart thing to do.
Are there any circumstances in which it would be reasonable for the United States to plan for a military strike against Iran? What about to actually attack them?
BTW, the military keeps a multitude of plans for various mililtary options. It's just the smart thing to do.
KenH
Well-Known Member
An attack on Iran shoots oil up over $100/bbl., maybe even to $150/bbl. Are we really ready to pay $6.00/gal. for gasoline in this country? That would push us pell mell into a major recession such as we experienced in the early 1980s.
It also wouldn't surprise me if after such an attack the number of U.S. military casualties doubles in a very short time as I would expect Iran to go after us in Iraq right next door.
As of yet we have no better evidence to support such an attack than we did about WMDs in Iraq. And we know how that turned out.
Also, the younger generation has very little use for the mullahs in Iran. We would be much better off encouraging them to continue their attraction to the West instead of totally turning them off by causing widespread death and destruction in their country.
fromtheright
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Ken,
An attack on Iran shoots oil up over $100/bbl., maybe even to $150/bbl. Are we really ready to pay $6.00/gal. for gasoline in this country? That would push us pell mell into a major recession such as we experienced in the early 1980s.
An interesting point that should certainly be given serious consideration. However, if there is in fact a threat of Iranian nuclear weapons do we let our fear of high gas prices give the Iranians carte blanche to have their way in the region, or worse, turn our eyes from such development until they become a threat and use such weapons either for blackmail or to, as their current leader has pined for, eliminate Israel from the map?
It also wouldn't surprise me if after such an attack the number of U.S. military casualties doubles in a very short time as I would expect Iran to go after us in Iraq right next door.
Certainly another risk that should be seriously considered, both in planning and executing such an attack. And such an expanded front would certainly mean an expensive war.
As of yet we have no better evidence to support such an attack than we did about WMDs in Iraq. And we know how that turned out.
I still believe the WMD's were moved to Syria or elsewhere.
Also, the younger generation has very little use for the mullahs in Iran. We would be much better off encouraging them to continue their attraction to the West instead of totally turning them off by causing widespread death and destruction in their country.
We let Iran continue to develop such capability, along with the capability to deliver such warheads in hopes that the kids will come to power? As I understand, the strength of such movements is greatly exaggerated, but I must confess I know very little about it.
An attack on Iran shoots oil up over $100/bbl., maybe even to $150/bbl. Are we really ready to pay $6.00/gal. for gasoline in this country? That would push us pell mell into a major recession such as we experienced in the early 1980s.
An interesting point that should certainly be given serious consideration. However, if there is in fact a threat of Iranian nuclear weapons do we let our fear of high gas prices give the Iranians carte blanche to have their way in the region, or worse, turn our eyes from such development until they become a threat and use such weapons either for blackmail or to, as their current leader has pined for, eliminate Israel from the map?
It also wouldn't surprise me if after such an attack the number of U.S. military casualties doubles in a very short time as I would expect Iran to go after us in Iraq right next door.
Certainly another risk that should be seriously considered, both in planning and executing such an attack. And such an expanded front would certainly mean an expensive war.
As of yet we have no better evidence to support such an attack than we did about WMDs in Iraq. And we know how that turned out.
I still believe the WMD's were moved to Syria or elsewhere.
Also, the younger generation has very little use for the mullahs in Iran. We would be much better off encouraging them to continue their attraction to the West instead of totally turning them off by causing widespread death and destruction in their country.
We let Iran continue to develop such capability, along with the capability to deliver such warheads in hopes that the kids will come to power? As I understand, the strength of such movements is greatly exaggerated, but I must confess I know very little about it.
poncho
Well-Known Member
Sure FTR, plan away. I've got no problem with being prepared as long as we stick with the Powell doctrine but we don't stick to that anymore.
We're getting basically the same propaganda about Iran as we did Iraq from the Bush administration. We found out after we attacked, invaded, occupied Iraq that the "intell" was wrong, or they lied. After reading The Grand Chessboard and the PNAC documents and all the other little articles that people like Michael Ledeen has written I believe they lied about Iraq. So, why should we believe them this time? As far as I'm concerned this administration and congress has close to zero credibility.
I wonder if Israel has any doubts about what Iran is up to--for that matter I wonder if Russia has any doubts?
It probably will be Israel who does the dirty work for us although it is clearly our military responsibility in view of the fact that the Europeans probably lack the muscle to do the job.
Iran fully intends to use the atomic bomb against Israel and then against Europe.
Israel has the 4th most powerful military on the face of the earth.
Let's face it; America is almost through on the world stage. We have been unable to pay off our national debt since 1932 or even balance our budget. Our money is worthless. Our military is overextended on all fronts because the liberals do not want us to be a military power and do not support our troops. Our culture is corrupt and depraved. Our educational system is a shambles because we cannot bring ourselves to control our children and the Bush pouring of more billions down the educational rathole has not helped one little bit. The government at all levels is clogged with lazy people and overstaffed beyond imagination. The press is more lying and more yellow than it was 100 years ago when it was openly yellow. I read the other day that 60% of the NBA stars have felony records. We go to football games on Sunday instead of church. We even go to sporting events on Thanksgiving and Christmas. We have an epidemic of sexually transmitted disease but we cannot bring ourselves to say that sodomy is wrong but concentrate on smoking and diet instead. We have an epidemic of suicide among young people for 20 years or more. We have high rates of alcoholism and drug addiction. And big corporations like WalMart want to cash in on religion but don't want to say Merry Christmas to anyone. Now we even have a new word to describe ourselves--Christophobic.
It probably will be Israel who does the dirty work for us although it is clearly our military responsibility in view of the fact that the Europeans probably lack the muscle to do the job.
Iran fully intends to use the atomic bomb against Israel and then against Europe.
Israel has the 4th most powerful military on the face of the earth.
Let's face it; America is almost through on the world stage. We have been unable to pay off our national debt since 1932 or even balance our budget. Our money is worthless. Our military is overextended on all fronts because the liberals do not want us to be a military power and do not support our troops. Our culture is corrupt and depraved. Our educational system is a shambles because we cannot bring ourselves to control our children and the Bush pouring of more billions down the educational rathole has not helped one little bit. The government at all levels is clogged with lazy people and overstaffed beyond imagination. The press is more lying and more yellow than it was 100 years ago when it was openly yellow. I read the other day that 60% of the NBA stars have felony records. We go to football games on Sunday instead of church. We even go to sporting events on Thanksgiving and Christmas. We have an epidemic of sexually transmitted disease but we cannot bring ourselves to say that sodomy is wrong but concentrate on smoking and diet instead. We have an epidemic of suicide among young people for 20 years or more. We have high rates of alcoholism and drug addiction. And big corporations like WalMart want to cash in on religion but don't want to say Merry Christmas to anyone. Now we even have a new word to describe ourselves--Christophobic.
StraightAndNarrow
Active Member
Turn on the TV. Do you actually believe that when Bush called Iraq, Iran, and North Korea the Axis of Evil that wasn't a threat? It certainly was taken as one by Iran and North Korea who actively restarted building their nuclear weapons programs in response. We can't go around gunslinging without repercussions.
StraightAndNarrow
Active Member
Sad that all the critics on this Form cannot understand this. </font>[/QUOTE]This is true. I have first hand knowledge that the U.S. was practicing war games involving a first strike nuclear exchange with the USSR back in the early 70's.
We always swore that we would never initiate a nuclear first strike nor did we have plans to do so but in reality we did.
fromtheright
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SAN,
Do you actually believe that when Bush called Iraq, Iran, and North Korea the Axis of Evil that wasn't a threat?
I believe that when he called them an axis of evil they were in fact an axis of evil, as when Reagan called the Soviet Union the evil empire he was simply speaking the truth. Perhaps they were threatened by the truth. Some are.
Do you actually believe that when Bush called Iraq, Iran, and North Korea the Axis of Evil that wasn't a threat?
I believe that when he called them an axis of evil they were in fact an axis of evil, as when Reagan called the Soviet Union the evil empire he was simply speaking the truth. Perhaps they were threatened by the truth. Some are.
That statement is wrong, cmg. </font>[/QUOTE]Ken, 70 years of red ink, 2 compromises in war, a vast number of people on welfare while illegals do the work, a bloated government, an outsourced economy, spell the doom of world power. We can't even agree to defend ourselves against a Persian nuclear attack or continue the war against Islamofascism.
I see the current war as an extension of World War II. With the defeat of the German attempt to murder all Jews, the nazi party doctrine was taken up by Islam, which already believed a nazi doctrine. The goal of Islam clearly is to smash Israel and murder all the Jews. It is the same ideology that we fought against in World War II. However, this time the Democrats are not in control so they are calling for the war to be lost.
fromtheright
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As a matter of defense policy, I don't believe the United States ever disavowed using a nuclear first strike but always sought to preserve the option of preemption.