UNITY or DOCTRINAL PURITY?

I continue to be amazed at open slander against people of God. Please name one President who is full blown Arminian, then prove biblically that Arminianism is heresy. It is not so because Joseph says so. Would it bother you if someone called you a heretic because you are a full blown Calvinist? Wait that would not be allowed here, it is only allowed when a Calvinist continues to call those who are non-Calvinist heretics. Sad terribly sad.

Bro Tony

 

It would not bother me one bit. Call away.

Joseph Botwinick

 

What ?
2,264 posts and not once have you read a post by an Arminian calling a Calvinist heretic ?
Really !!

 

If only the Pentes believed in not invading and undermining Churches and left. Plenty of AoGs around for them....Trouble is they call the spreading of their false teachings "revival" :BangHead:

Keep pointing out their Scripture twisting to them and the pastor and pray.

 

Pino time to take reading 101--did I say that I have never seen an Arminian call a Calvinist heretic? No I said it would not be allowed and in my 2264 posts I have seen those who are non-calvinist called down and corrected for calling Calvinist heretics. It has been said here many times that we are not to use that word in reference to other believers, yet one person is allowed to continue to slander many fine Christian men and women. And as evidenced by his above response doesn't seem to care. His word though reveals his heart and that fact that he feels he is the final authority in all matters, not only on this subject but elsewhere. I appreciate one of the moderators correcting this even if Joseph is unrepentant.
Bro Tony

 

Pentecostalism is a new theology and not directly addressed in the Bible.

As a Baptist, I do not believe in disfellowshipping from believers that practice more gifts of the Spirit than I have been given. However, as a Baptist I do not believe that our churches should be spiritually coerced into converting into something that we were not a century ago.

IMHO.

 

Best not to guess. Better to discuss, be specific and truthful.

 

My thoughts are " :thumbs: :applause:!!" Mainly because in the pente franchises I've seen they've placed a very big emphasis on money as a sign of God's blessing. Maybe it will wake them up raying:

 

Looks to me like they just forgot to take Baptist off the sign. :laugh:

Normally I would suggest he split the Church and go his own way. If you don't agree with what is going on then I believe others don't either. I don't know if I could stay under a Pastor who would comprimise his belief's for fear lf loosing his job? I prefer one who sticks to his belief's dispite loosing his job. Me personally, I would seek fellowship elsewhere.

 

Excellent post, and every now and then the Church needs to be purified for its own well being. It's like pruning a bush, it often encourages new growth. I don't agree with continually doing things "the way we've always done it" but no matter what else changes the foundational belief must be kept in tact.

 

The only problem with the idea that doctrinal purity or orthodoxy brings about unity is that those who make the statement think that they are doctrinally pure, and that those who don't believe the same aren't pure or orthodox. Baptists are guilty of just about as many doctrinal errors as Pentecostals. No human system is going to produce doctrinal purity. So unity must depend on those things that are vital and essential to the faith, namely salvation.

Denominations are not biblical. There is no mention of a church dividing up into factions over interpretations of scripture passages anywhere in the Bible that is endorsed or approved. Christian faith is based on grace, not on works. The development of, and dependence upon, a system of doctrinal purity is salvation and maintenance of it, by works.

Baptists do a lot of preaching and teaching beyond what the Bible teaches, in different areas than Pentecostals. Cessationism isn't Biblical, tongues as a spiritual gift, and as a prayer language, is clearly taught in scripture, but most Baptists won't accept it.

 

Very good Jack. I agree.

 

Creeping Pentacostalism-- aka: Carnal Christianity. As long as those unregenerated are allowed in the membership there can be no unity. The flesh is in total control of an unsaved person, even though there may be a spirit facade. The basic problem is lack of church discipline. The ravenous wolves must be put out before they get control--otherwise, the faithful must come out from among the wolves.

That is doctrinal purity.

The doctrine of sovereignty is also involved. An assembly cannot maintain discipline if they can be controlled by outside forces such synods, dioceses, conventions, boards, committees and other usurped "bodies" which are not part of the assembly. Many assemblies have this malady.

Who really controls your assembly?

Choose wisely.

Bro. James

 

Tongues were a sign to Israel that God was setting them aside and that the church age had begun, as prophesied in Isaiah 28: 11,12. There is nothing Biblical about the babbling going on among Pentecostals and Charismatics.

 

Ummmmmmm.......

WHERE did you get your quote from? I searched this thread twice and could not find David44's post. Either it was deleted with no note from the Mods or you have taken it from a different thread.

And no; tongues were not a "sign to Israel that God was setting them aside". They were a sign that God was doing a new thing, this is true, but He was not setting them aside. In fact, they were a sign to show them that this thing WAS OF GOD since the "Jews seek for a sign". And what exactly was this thing that was of God? THE RESURRECTION, silly.

To the OP:
There can be no UNITY without PURITY. Scripturally speaking of course.

 

Bro. Jack, would you give me the scripture passage regarding prayer language?

My take on this is those who hold your views should find a congregation that already agrees with you, not try to push them on most Baptist congregations.

And, if a Baptist congregation does accept and practice what you believe, then it ought quit calling itself Baptist--because it's not.