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Universalism

Gold Dragon

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Tim Challes is a blogger and author who I highly respect. He does hundreds of book reviews a year and here's his review of this book (yes, he actually read it).

http://www.challies.com/book-review...mpaign=Feed:+challies/XhEt+(Challies+Dot+Com)

The thing about this review is that he makes a lot of use of ellipses that could easily take those quotes out of context. Granted, it is difficult to quote large sections of a yet to be published book without running into potential problems with the publisher.
 

annsni

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The thing about this review is that he makes a lot of use of ellipses that could easily take those quotes out of context. Granted, it is difficult to quote large sections of a yet to be published book without running into potential problems with the publisher.

In all the years I've been reading Challies' blog, I've not found him to take things out of context or be incorrect in his assessment of books. I agree with him theologically and as such, find him to be a very valid source of information on book reviews.
 

glfredrick

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I'm finding multiple reviews now, from credible sources, that Bell is indeed trending toward universalism.

In that, I note that he is not alone. The ever-so-staunch Puritans did likewise. The same group that gave us very strident Calvinists also, after their drift through Arminianism into Pelagianism, gave us the unitarian-universalist "church" (which is not much of a church at all).

Here are a few quotes from a UU site devoted to the history of the UU.
http://www.uua.org/publications/pamphlets/introductions/151249.shtml

Unitarians and Universalists have always been heretics. We are heretics because we want to choose our faith, not because we desire to be rebellious. “Heresy” in Greek means “choice.” During the first three centuries of the Christian church, believers could choose from a variety of tenets about Jesus. Among these was a belief that Jesus was an entity sent by God on a divine mission. Thus the word “Unitarian” developed, meaning the oneness of God. Another religious choice in the first three centuries of the Common Era (CE) was universal salvation. This was the belief that no person would be condemned by God to eternal damnation in a fiery pit.

Despite these European connections, Unitarianism as we know it in North America is not a foreign import. In fact, the origins of our faith began with some of the most historic congregations in Puritan New England where each town was required to establish a congregationally independent church that followed Calvinist doctrines. Initially these congregational churches offered no religious choice for their parishioners, but over time the strict doctrines of original sin and predestination began to mellow.

By the mid-1700s a group of evangelicals were calling for the revival of Puritan orthodoxy. They asserted their belief in humanity’s eternal bondage to sin. People who opposed the revival, believing in free human will and the loving benevolence of God, eventually became Unitarian. During the first four decades of the nineteenth century, hundreds of these original congregational churches fought over ideas about sin and salvation, and especially over the doctrine of the Trinity. Most of the churches split over these issues. In 1819, Unitarian minister William Ellery Channing delivered a sermon called “Unitarian Christianity” and helped to give the Unitarians a strong platform. Six years later the American Unitarian Association was organized in Boston, MA.

Sadly, I see the rudiments of a similar move within some here on the board, they not really knowing much about the history of the church think that they are on to some "enlightening" and "freeing" theology, but the end is almost always the same -- rebellion against God and an anthropological view of salvation.
 

glfredrick

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Here is another, more detailed review of Bell's book:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs...ign=Feed:+between2worlds+(Between+Two+Worlds)

And a link to the article mentioned in the blog above:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2011/03/14/rob-bell-love-wins-review/

The evidence is now overwhelmingly conclusive. Rob Bell has turned a corner into heterodoxy. He is no longer "orthodox" in his Christianity. Sad day when a communicator of his level moves so far from the truth that he is called to proclaim.
 

annsni

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Here is another, more detailed review of Bell's book:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs...ign=Feed:+between2worlds+(Between+Two+Worlds)

And a link to the article mentioned in the blog above:

http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/kevindeyoung/2011/03/14/rob-bell-love-wins-review/

The evidence is now overwhelmingly conclusive. Rob Bell has turned a corner into heterodoxy. He is no longer "orthodox" in his Christianity. Sad day when a communicator of his level moves so far from the truth that he is called to proclaim.

Kevin DeYoung is another solid, godly man.
 

annsni

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My husband just watched a life talk/interview of Bell at the Ethical Culture Society of NY where there were live questions given to him. He said that the questions were very direct and Bell danced around the questions so completely that he did not answer the question but sounded "smart". Hubby just told me that there's no question in his mind now after seeing this that Bell had "jumped the tracks". He's left orthodoxy.
 

Gabriel Elijah

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... plus there is nothing wrong with wanting love to win. Most of us believe that 2/3 of the world is going to hell (thus his statement about Gandhi) and or "wide is the road..." blah blah blah

But shouldn't we all WANT the exact opposite? What is the harm in wanting all people to come to grace? Why wouldn't we want to see love in?

Because from a pessimistic standpoint, if Hell is more populated that the new earth (or heaven depending on your theology) then does "love" really win?

Mojo—your post are very passionate—yet at times confusing. Do you yourself support universalism (b/c honestly that’s the only way love will truly win as some see it) or are you simply defending a pastor/author that you feel is being unjustly accused? While there is certainly nothing wrong with desiring all to be saved—to reach the conclusion that anyone can be saved outside of faith in Jesus Christ is not only biblically problematic—but is pure heresy. Now I’m not accusing you of defending heretical teachings b/c I simply don’t know what your overall objective is---but I would like to know your motive behind these posts. God Bless!
 

Alive in Christ

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(Regarding Annihalism...)

No, not biblically.

But it is a option, like a multitude of other opinions that are not based on scripture.

Yes, it can be a biblical option, provided its not the JW's view of hell not existing at all.

But there are evangelcals that hold a view that the lost will indeed be consigned to hell, but not eternally. At some point in time they will be annhialated (ceasing to exist)

I believe the very highly respected John Stott held that view.

And those who hold this view dont just dream it up...they support it from the scriptures.

AiC
 

Alive in Christ

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Quanumfaith...

If this is true, I suspect there will be few, if any apologies, and the charges will not go away because, in my experience, Christians of influence rarely back off of public assertions they have made because it might undermine their credibility.

...and that is in spite of the fact that apologizing will actually bolster their credibilty! Isnt that a strange thing??
 

mandym

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EDITOR'S NOTE: This story is intended to be a brief overview of Rob Bell's "Love Wins." For a more in-depth review, see the links at the end of the story.

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (BP)--Few events in recent memory have caused as much controversy and confusion among evangelicals as the latest book by well-known pastor Rob Bell, who in "Love Wins" denies hell and affirms universalism -- all the while claiming he has done neither.

Bell's Mars Hill Bible Church in Grand Rapids, Mich., is nondenominational, but his books, "Velvet Elvis" among them, are popular among young evangelicals of all denominations and his Nooma videos -- well-produced and thought-provoking -- are used in even the most conservative of churches.


http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=34843
 

mandym

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Rob Bell: what SBC leaders are saying

Southern Baptist Leaders speak out about the heresies in Rob Bell's new book"


1.Daniel Akin, president of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary:

2.Page Brooks, assistant professor of theology and Islamic studies, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary:

3.Jeff Iorg, president of Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary:

4.Albert R. Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary

5.Rustin J. Umstattd, assistant professor of theology at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary:

6.Thomas White, associate professor of theology, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary:

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=34844
 
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