Unscriptural - what does it mean?

[Billx]

I define "unscriputral" as being opposed to, or not corresponding with, what is taught in Scripture (which, perhaps, is "anti" rather than "un"). Jesus suffered in Hell for our sins (Joyce Meyers doctrine) is un (anti) biblical. Baptismal regeneration is an un (anti) biblical doctrine. Both of these examples deny what Scripture teaches (they are opposed to what is taught in the Bible).

Most of us old baptists are just agin it what ever it is. We are crotchety, and agin any thing new, different and anything which requires much thought.

What is scriptural? That is thorny, nebulous and opinionated. Even Plato would not touch that question.

My answer is any interpretation which agrees with me. LOL

 

[kyredneck]

What does it mean to be justified?

To be deemed or declared good/just/righteous.

45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust. Mt 5

15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust. Acts 24

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. Jn 5

 

[Salty]

I, too, am guilty at times of not properly differentiating between "unscriptural" & "non-Scriptural".

RC - I appreciate that response. Oftentimes we all use words, that we really do not know the meaning.
At time Language can be very misleading.-either intentional or unintentional. When I went thur NCO school, one of the subjects we discussed was the filters of conversation. That is one person had one ideal of what he wanted and the receiver took it another way. Thus the recommendation was to say/ask - "did you mean....."

Of course - at times certain phrases are used to mislead. I suppose my favorite example would be when someone says "I am pro-choice" Exactly what does that mean- could be interpreted in different ways.

I often use that term to describe myself - as I am truly pro choice -- then I will explain--- I believe if a baby chooses abortion - go ahead and let him - and he should be the only one who should choose!

 

[Yeshua1]

Provide scripture (lol, that'll be the day) that explicitly states that justification is by faith alone.

I've provided scripture that explicitly states that justification is NOT by faith alone.

C'mon tweetybird, give something other than your usual kneejerk tweets.

Ephesians 2:8-10

 

[Yeshua1]

Doing good works simply means to keep the Law or you will not enter Heaven. It is what we are going to be judged by


Romans 2:13
(For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

James 2
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Revelation 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

good works reveal that we are now saved by grace of God, not the cause!
No one will be justified before God by law keeping!

 

[Yeshua1]

To be deemed or declared good/just/righteous.

45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust. Mt 5

15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust. Acts 24

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. Jn 5

God declares us to be as right as Jesus Himself, due to God imputing towards us the very righteousness of Christ Himself, and that is received thru faith alone, period!

 

[Yeshua1]

RC - I appreciate that response. Oftentimes we all use words, that we really do not know the meaning.
At time Language can be very misleading.-either intentional or unintentional. When I went thur NCO school, one of the subjects we discussed was the filters of conversation. That is one person had one ideal of what he wanted and the receiver took it another way. Thus the recommendation was to say/ask - "did you mean....."

Of course - at times certain phrases are used to mislead. I suppose my favorite example would be when someone says "I am pro-choice" Exactly what does that mean- could be interpreted in different ways.

I often use that term to describe myself - as I am truly pro choice -- then I will explain--- I believe if a baby chooses abortion - go ahead and let him - and he should be the only one who should choose!

Sometimes the person can use scripture, but have non biblical understanding of the scriptures being cited and used!

 

[Salty]

SOME OF THESE POSTS ARE GETTING OFF OP
We are NOT debating what Scripture is saying on different subjects

The OP states:
So here is my question - How would define Unscriptural?

Which of the above examples is an unScriptural action

Lest just stick with the definitions.

 

[atpollard]

“Whenever the devil harasses you, seek the company of men or drink more, or joke and talk nonsense, or do some other merry thing. Sometimes we must drink more, sport, recreate ourselves, and even sin a little to spite the devil, so that we leave him no place for troubling our consciences with trifles. We are conquered if we try too conscientiously not to sin at all. So when the devil says to you: do not drink, answer him: I will drink, and right freely, just because you tell me not to.” - Martin Luther

Is this “unscriptural”?

Do you even have to ask?

Did you even bother to answer? [a joke]

Actually, Luther was speaking in his typical hyperbole about the danger of embracing guilt-driven, self-empowered, moralism (as was advocated by his Augustinian Monk culture) and never truly understanding "real grace" and the freedom that comes with it. The other half of the lesson behind that quote is found in Luther's commentary on Galations 1:4 ...

The genius of Christianity takes the words of Paul "who gave himself for our sins" as true and efficacious. We are not to look upon our sins as insignificant trifles. On the other hand, we are not to regard them as so terrible that we must despair. Learn to believe that Christ was given, not for picayune and imaginary transgressions, but for mountainous sins; not for one or two, but for all; not for sins that can be discarded, but for sins that are stubbornly ingrained.


Practice this knowledge and fortify yourself against despair, particularly in the last hour, when the memory of past sins assails the conscience. Say with confidence: "Christ, the Son of God, was given not for the righteous, but for sinners. If I had no sin I should not need Christ. No, Satan, you cannot delude me into thinking I am holy. The truth is, I am all sin. My sins are not imaginary transgressions, but sins against the first table, unbelief, doubt, despair, contempt, hatred, ignorance of God, ingratitude towards Him, misuse of His name, neglect of His Word, etc.; and sins against the second table, dishonor of parents, disobedience of government, coveting of another's possessions, etc. Granted that I have not committed murder, adultery, theft, and similar sins in deed, nevertheless I have committed them in the heart, and therefore I am a transgressor of all the commandments of God.


"Because my transgressions are multiplied and my own efforts at self-justification rather a hindrance than a furtherance, therefore Christ the Son of God gave Himself into death for my sins." To believe this is to have eternal life.


Let us equip ourselves against the accusations of Satan with this and similar passages of Holy Scripture. If he says, "Thou shalt be damned," you tell him: "No, for I fly to Christ who gave Himself for my sins. In accusing me of being a damnable sinner, you are cutting your own throat, Satan. You are reminding me of God's fatherly goodness toward me, that He so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. In calling me a sinner, Satan, you really comfort me above measure." With such heavenly cunning we are to meet the devil's craft and put from us the memory of sin.​

So, did I need to ask?

 

[atpollard]

Which of the above examples is an unScriptural action

1) The Bible command the action (Love your neighbor)
2) The Bible prohibits the action (Thou shall not murder)
3) The Bible gives suggestions (be not drunk with wine -Does not prohibit)

1. Refusing to do actions commanded is unscriptural.
2. Doing actions forbidden is unscriptural.
3. Doing actions permitted in a manner that is of the flesh rather than the spirit. (drunkenness, gluttony, greed) These are often a form of IDOLATRY since we are using 'fleshly' means to fill a 'spiritual' hole that only God can fill.

 

[Aaron]

To be deemed or declared good/just/righteous.

45 that ye may be sons of your Father who is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendeth rain on the just and the unjust. Mt 5

15 having hope toward God, which these also themselves look for, that there shall be a resurrection both of the just and unjust. Acts 24

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour cometh, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice,
29 and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment. Jn 5

What works does one add to to Christ's work to complete one's justification?

 

[kyredneck]

Ephesians 2:8-10

Still tweeting. No mention of faith 'alone' there.

God declares us to be as right as Jesus Himself, due to God imputing towards us the very righteousness of Christ Himself, and that is received thru faith alone, period!

Still tweeting. No scripture stating justification by faith 'alone'.

 

[kyredneck]

What works does one add to to Christ's work to complete one's justification?

There is no conscious 'adding' in works to the mix, the works come naturally to the regenerate heart with the law written upon it.

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. Phil 2

Question for you:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8

What's the justification for adding to the gospel the idea of justification by [our] faith alone?

 

[Aaron]

There is no conscious 'adding' in works to the mix, the works come naturally to the regenerate heart with the law written upon it.

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. Phil 2

Question for you:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8

What's the justification for adding to the gospel the idea of justification by [our] faith alone?

So, it's a 'by their fruits ye shall know them' thing. The works aren't a means of justification. Is that what you're saying?

 

[atpollard]

There is no conscious 'adding' in works to the mix, the works come naturally to the regenerate heart with the law written upon it.

Could you define "Justification" as you are using it?

You seem to be saying that a regenerate heart with the law written upon it naturally results in good works ... and only then is one Justified.

Have I misunderstood?

 

[kyredneck]

So, it's a 'by their fruits ye shall know them' thing. The works aren't a means of justification. Is that what you're saying?

You didn't answer my question.

 

[kyredneck]

Could you define "Justification" as you are using it?

Post #42.

 

[Yeshua1]

Still tweeting. No mention of faith 'alone' there.



Still tweeting. No scripture stating justification by faith 'alone'.

Jesus stated that we must believe in god and in him, period!

 

[kyredneck]

Jesus stated that we must believe in god and in him, period!

Another tweet. The demons do that.

 

[Yeshua1]

There is no conscious 'adding' in works to the mix, the works come naturally to the regenerate heart with the law written upon it.

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure. Phil 2

Question for you:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8

What's the justification for adding to the gospel the idea of justification by [our] faith alone?

Are you saying that real salvation will produce good works, or that salvation is combo of faith in jesus and us doign good works?