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Unto Him that Loved us, To Him that Washed us from our Sins

Adonia

Adonia

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Yeshua1 said:
The sin nature cannot submit to God, nor please Him, nor know the truths of scripture, so limited freedom!
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You mistakenly equate the original sin of all mankind and the loss of man's free will. While we all must make this journey to earth, each of us has the "free will" to decide things for ourselves during the journey. No person is "pre-destined" for a particular thing to happen. The only thing that is "pre-destined" is birth and then death, and whether one makes it to, and then stays in heaven, is all up to the individual. We are given numerous chances to amend our sinful ways and forgiveness is always available. In the end the choice is ours, we are not subject to some pre - determined outcome.
 
utilyan

utilyan

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Yeshua1 said:
The sin nature cannot submit to God, nor please Him, nor know the truths of scripture, so limited freedom!
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That's a great story, some other guy claims that all FARTS smelled like cherries before the fall.

All I'm saying to you is the same to him SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE WHERE GOD SAYS we lose free will and lose the ability to do anything good.

God lists penalties Like pain in child birth. I think losing our free will and ability to do ANYTHING RIGHT would have been mentioned.
 
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Yeshua1

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Adonia said:
You mistakenly equate the original sin of all mankind and the loss of man's free will. While we all must make this journey to earth, each of us has the "free will" to decide things for ourselves during the journey. No person is "pre-destined" for a particular thing to happen. The only thing that is "pre-destined" is birth and then death, and whether one makes it to, and then stays in heaven, is all up to the individual. We are given numerous chances to amend our sinful ways and forgiveness is always available. In the end the choice is ours, we are not subject to some pre - determined outcome.
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Again, none of us can freely accept to get saved unless the Lord enables us to be able to do that!
 
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Yeshua1

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utilyan said:
That's a great story, some other guy claims that all FARTS smelled like cherries before the fall.

All I'm saying to you is the same to him SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE WHERE GOD SAYS we lose free will and lose the ability to do anything good.

God lists penalties Like pain in child birth. I think losing our free will and ability to do ANYTHING RIGHT would have been mentioned.
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Still can do good things, but cannot chose to receive jesus apart from will and working of God!
 
utilyan

utilyan

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Yeshua1 said:
Dead in sins and trespasses, and dead people cannot make themselves alive!
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I said show scripture. You still do not because what you have is a LIE that can't be found in scripture.

Scripture gives detail to the punishment mankind gets in scripture. The ability to good and free will would have certainly been mentioned because its more devastating then any of the other punishments.

The Lie you received is from false doctrine created only 500 years ago.


How is it that when I am challenged I provide scripture easily for everything taught, and you always come up empty?

You need to read the bible yourself instead of people handing you lies and trash.
 
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Yeshua1

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utilyan said:
I said show scripture. You still do not because what you have is a LIE that can't be found in scripture.

Scripture gives detail to the punishment mankind gets in scripture. The ability to good and free will would have certainly been mentioned because its more devastating then any of the other punishments.

The Lie you received is from false doctrine created only 500 years ago.


How is it that when I am challenged I provide scripture easily for everything taught, and you always come up empty?

You need to read the bible yourself instead of people handing you lies and trash.
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Did not know the Bible was only 500 years old!
 
utilyan

utilyan

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Yeshua1 said:
Did not know the Bible was only 500 years old!
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Hello MR. ZERO SCRIPTURE

Yeshua, you can win this very easily by stating scripture where God punishes Adam and Eve with taking away their free will and capacity to do Good.

God gives a list of punishments NONE state taking away free will or the capacity to do good.

Even afterwards look at the story of Cain and Abel.

1 john 3
11For this is the message which you have heard from the beginning, that we should love one another; 12not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother. And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother’s were righteous.

Is not Abel Totally Depraved? How were Abel's deeds righteous?

Does God say Cain is totally depraved?

Genesis 4

6Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? 7“If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

No God wants Cain to master it.

Again I provide scripture. You have provided ZERO SCRIPTURE.
 
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