Unvaccinated "varient factories"

[Scott Downey]

Harvest News | Harvest News – Harvest Information

The Harvest news site has some really bad agricultural drought news for the USA, which you may not be aware of.
It feels strongly to me that the USA is under God's thumb what with all the terrible and insane things happening to our country, mostly I noticed this starting back in 2019 with the politicians going insane.
All the insane government spending is really bad, right now few care, but your paying for it with inflated prices.
But what is happening got worse and worse quickly.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Harvest News | Harvest News – Harvest Information

The Harvest news site has some really bad agricultural drought news for the USA, which you may not be aware of.
It feels strongly to me that the USA is under God's thumb what with all the terrible and insane things happening to our country, mostly I noticed this starting back in 2019 with the politicians going insane.
All the insane government spending is really bad, right now few care, but your paying for it with inflated prices.
But what is happening got worse and worse quickly.

Scott, please don’t make me more depressed than I already am... OK.

on the good side, my first grandson will enter the world in November, please pray for the youth that will have to inherit this stinking mess.

 

[canadyjd]

“Unvaccinated people are basically the cannon fodder of the virus. The virus needs people to infect in order to replicate and the more people it has that are vulnerable or susceptible to infection, the more likely it will mutate,” said Dr Michael Saag, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Unvaccinated could be breeding ground for Covid variants, US officials fear

Unvaccinated people don't only risk their own health: Their bodies become 'variant factories'

Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says - CNN

Unvaccinated People Are Fueling Coronavirus Variants

It just seems unscientific to me. The unvaccinated put the vaccinated at risk (admitting vaccine doesn’t work), but everyone must get vaccinated,

You get the virus, you recover, your body knows how to fight it. 99.9+ survival rate.

You get the vaccine, your body is forced to produce antibodies to fight the virus. Your body knows how to fight it. 95 % effectiveness.

Recent study in Israel, I heard on radio, shows natural immunity is 27 times better than vaccine immunity.

Why has the CDC and other government funded organizations, not studied natural immunity among those that have recovered?

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

Supposedly it is due to the length of time people are infectious (recent studies show breakthrough cases are infectious less than 7 days as opposed to at least twice as long with covid cases, and breakthrough cases are not the norm. BUT this is also why natural immunity produces more antibodies.....but destroys t cells).

Who knows. In the below link, you could use the numbers to say the vaccine works or you could use it to show the vaccine an abject failure.
Higher vaccination rate = higher infection rate. Failure
Higher vaccination rate = higher survival rate. Pass.

Now the real question. Is the vaccine working or is the variant less deadly and more contagious.

 

[poor-in-spirit]

Because God used worldly powers (to gather a people, to grow a church, to redeem mankind).

The exact opposite of your statement is Scriptural Truth friend. Do you really not realize that?

According to your "logic" above you claim redemption from this temporary and fake world of Satan but believe you are to continue to be influenced by it and even support and defend it?

Have it your way.

 

[37818]

Without arguing the pros and cons. From what I understand, getting one of the two part vaccinations takes 12 weeks just to be vaccinated.

 

[canadyjd]

Without arguing the pros and cons. From what I understand, getting one of the two part vaccinations takes 12 weeks just to be vaccinated.

Just got 2nd shot. (Madurna) I think it was 6 weeks between shots, then considered fully vaccinated two weeks after 2nd shot.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

It’s funny how in every other country the vaccinated are the super spreaders but in the US the virus has its own mind. Not suspicious at all.

Except of course, the spreading of covid is not he topic (nice smoke screen).

 

[37818]

Just got 2nd shot. (Madurna) I think it was 6 weeks between shots, then considered fully vaccinated two weeks after 2nd shot.

peace to you

Yes, but would not have the 90+% claimed immunity.

 

[JonC]

Without arguing the pros and cons. From what I understand, getting one of the two part vaccinations takes 12 weeks just to be vaccinated.

21 days for Pfizer, 28 days for Moderna.

 

[Reynolds]

It’s funny how in every other country the vaccinated are the super spreaders but in the US the virus has its own mind. Not suspicious at all.

The United States government runs a propaganda machine to rival N.Korea.

 

[JonC]

Yes, but would not have the 90+% claimed immunity.

The effectiveness against covid for is Moderna 94.1% and Pfizer is 95% in the clinical trials. 91% 7 days after the 2nd dose to 6 months.

This is not steralizing immunity but efficacy against COVID-19.

A more recent study (not yet peer reviewed) places the efficacy against COVID-19 between 86% and 100% (based on data across various countries, genders, ethnicities and risk factors) and 97% against severe disease. In South Africa the study shows 100% efficacy against the B.1.351 varient.

 

[JonC]

The United States government runs a propaganda machine to rival N.Korea.

Look again at @Revmitchell 's post. The OP is about varients. The good Reverend played a shell game on you and switched to spread.

 

[JonC]

The exact opposite of your statement is Scriptural Truth friend. Do you really not realize that?

According to your "logic" above you claim redemption from this temporary and fake world of Satan but believe you are to continue to be influenced by it and even support and defend it?

Have it your way.

According to my logic the Jews gave Christ over to suffer and die by the hands of wicked men, but this was the preordained will of God. And God raised up a pagan nation to take Israel into capitavity.

How can you deny that God is Sovereign and works all things for His good?

You seem quick to condemn any Christian who takes the covid vaccine, flu vacvine, pneumonia vacvine, shingles vaccine, chicken pox vacvine because these are tested with a strain of cells from fetuses decades ago. But you cannot support your condemnation except to slander and deny Scripture.

 

[JonC]

Who knows. In the below link, you could use the numbers to say the vaccine works or you could use it to show the vaccine an abject failure.
Higher vaccination rate = higher infection rate. Failure
Higher vaccination rate = higher survival rate. Pass.

Now the real question. Is the vaccine working or is the variant less deadly and more contagious.

That is because you are looking at rates. It is data manuplation. Thus far the varient seems to be more contagious and more deadly to a younger population. But this could very well be the number of older people who received the vaccination early on. The data definitely shows that among the hospitalized, those on ventilators, and those who have died most were unvaccinated with no previous covid infection.

Where the numbers show more vacvinated infections it also shows a much larger vacvine rate (so the data does not actually show the conclusions anti-vaxers reach).

Recently there was a claim vaccinated people were found to carry more viral load (when infected) than unvacvinated people. This was proven false. They carried the same viral load on a nasal swab (the study was from samples at an event) but the actual infection rate was lower.

Vaccinated people are more apt to be less symptomatic, but are able to infect others (studies indicate for up to 7 days...much less than the unvaccinated).

But to suggest the vacvine is bad because vaccinated people don't tend to get sick enough is not a good argument not to be vaccinated (it is a good argument for unvaccinated people to stay away from other people).

 

[Reynolds]

Look again at @Revmitchell 's post. The OP is about varients. The good Reverend played a shell game on you and switched to spread.

The U.S. govt runs a propaganda machine to rival N. Korea.

 

[canadyjd]

Yes, but would not have the 90+% claimed immunity.

That’s the point. No where have I heard of CDC or other government agency studying the immunity of those that have recovered.

I have had it, and recovered with little illness. Maybe some minor joint pain in my hands as long term effect, but not sure.

I was hesitant to get the vaccine, but saw a report that it could be slightly advantageous to get the vaccine, even if recovered from COVID. I am in a high risk group, so I decided to get it.

peace to you

 

[JonC]

The U.S. govt runs a propaganda machine to rival N. Korea.

He does not work for the US government. He just acts like he does sometimes

 

[poor-in-spirit]

According to my logic the Jews gave Christ over to suffer and die by the hands of wicked men, but this was the preordained will of God. And God raised up a pagan nation to take Israel into capitavity.

How can you deny that God is Sovereign and works all things for His good?

You seem quick to condemn any Christian who takes the covid vaccine, flu vacvine, pneumonia vacvine, shingles vaccine, chicken pox vacvine because these are tested with a strain of cells from fetuses decades ago. But you cannot support your condemnation except to slander and deny Scripture.

Ok friend

 

[JonC]

It just seems unscientific to me. The unvaccinated put the vaccinated at risk (admitting vaccine doesn’t work), but everyone must get vaccinated,

You get the virus, you recover, your body knows how to fight it. 99.9+ survival rate.

You get the vaccine, your body is forced to produce antibodies to fight the virus. Your body knows how to fight it. 95 % effectiveness.

Recent study in Israel, I heard on radio, shows natural immunity is 27 times better than vaccine immunity.

Why has the CDC and other government funded organizations, not studied natural immunity among those that have recovered?

peace to you

No vaccine is 100%, so spreaders (regardless of vacvine status) is always a risk.

Part of the problem is varients. The vaccine may not be as effective against varients and the varient factory are the unvaccinated (tge varients are coming from predominantly unvaccinated areas as well).

There have been studies about natural immunity vs acquired immunity. The virus does cause the production of more antibodies than the vaccine but the virus destroys t-celks (which are important) whereas the vaccine increases t-cells. The best immunity would probably be a combination of having survived covid and been vacvinated. Problem is the damage covud can do (heart damage, damage to blood vessels, lung damage, blood clots, strokes, death). The vaccine can have some of the same side-effects, but has a much lower risk.