Unvaccinated "varient factories"

[37818]

21 days for Pfizer, 28 days for Moderna.

True, but that is not what I had explained and originally found.
How Long Do You Have To Wait Between COVID-19 Vaccine Doses?
And going back I found Delaying second Pfizer shot to 12 weeks produces three times more COVID antibodies in older people: study

 

[37818]

That’s the point. No where have I heard of CDC or other government agency studying the immunity of those that have recovered.

I have had it, and recovered with little illness. Maybe some minor joint pain in my hands as long term effect, but not sure.

I was hesitant to get the vaccine, but saw a report that it could be slightly advantageous to get the vaccine, even if recovered from COVID. I am in a high risk group, so I decided to get it.

peace to you

I, from what I know now, had it in February 2020. I am attempting to get some good information and to decide whether or not to get one of the current vaccines.

 

[JonC]

I, from what I know now, had it in February 2020. I am attempting to get some good information and to decide whether or not to get one of the current vaccines.

I'd talk with my doctor.

 

[canadyjd]

No vaccine is 100%, so spreaders (regardless of vacvine status) is always a risk.

Part of the problem is varients. The vaccine may not be as effective against varients and the varient factory are the unvaccinated (tge varients are coming from predominantly unvaccinated areas as well)…...

The term “variant factory” strikes me as a political term and not scientific. It sounds like propaganda

peace to you

 

[JonC]

The term “variant factory” strikes me as a political term and not scientific. It sounds like propaganda

peace to you

It isn't. I saw it on several articles but used the name from one describing how covid (and viruses in general) use infected cells to produce viruses and that mutations occur yielding to varients.....literally "varient factories" in that tge cells in unvaccibated people who contract covid manufacture more virus producing mutations and varients.

So you could say there is "blame" to go around. The unvaccinated can blame the vaccinated for spreading covid without exhibiting severe symptoms and the vacvinated can blame the unvaccinated for varients.

Perhaps instead of blaming we should try understanding and get through this as best we can.

 

[Alex2165]

Kim Iversen: BOMBSHELL Report Suggests Natural Immunity Triggers Better Response Against COVID - YouTube

 

[percho]

“Unvaccinated people are basically the cannon fodder of the virus. The virus needs people to infect in order to replicate and the more people it has that are vulnerable or susceptible to infection, the more likely it will mutate,” said Dr Michael Saag, a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.

Unvaccinated could be breeding ground for Covid variants, US officials fear

Unvaccinated people don't only risk their own health: Their bodies become 'variant factories'

Unvaccinated people are 'variant factories,' infectious diseases expert says - CNN

Unvaccinated People Are Fueling Coronavirus Variants

If one be unvaccinated why would the virus need to mutate in order to attack that one?

 

[JonC]

If one be unvaccinated why would the virus need to mutate in order to attack that one?

It does not mutate in order to attack.

The virus infects a person and produces more virus. Mutations are produced in the process (the virus replicates imperfectly). Most of these mutations are of no consequence.

The virus we got was not exactly the virus in its original form. We knew there would be variants because there always are variants.

The flu today is not the flu of tomorrow kind of thing.

Populations contracting covid are ultimately going to produce varients. This is why "herd immunity" on a large scale just doesn't work.

 

[Andre]

I wasn’t going to reply to your many obsessed threads, but I can produce just as many links that say the exact opposite of this post. Here would be where you claim victory by saying my links aren’t credible, but of course yours are. Losing argument when you engage the staff, so I won’t. Have a good one, Jon.

Of course you can find contrary links!

However, we can demonstrate that your sources are not credible - it is not just a claim we invent out of thin air.

Just look at my next post.

 

[Andre]

VAXXED TO DEATH: Alarming study confirms vaxxers will face catastrophic Antibody Dependent Enhancement injuries and deaths – NaturalNews.com
Just an ADE reminder of what may be coming in a few years.
Every booster makes it more likely as the virus continues it's mutant course.

Natural News?

Surely ye jest. From wikipedia:

Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is a far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience, and far-right extremism.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Natural News?

Surely ye jest. From wikipedia:

Natural News (formerly NewsTarget, which is now a separate sister site) is a far-right, anti-vaccination conspiracy theory and fake news website known for promoting alternative medicine, pseudoscience, and far-right extremism.

GOOD

 

[kyredneck]

Recent study in Israel, I heard on radio, shows natural immunity is 27 times better than vaccine immunity.

Yep.

"...After adjusting for comorbidities, there was a 13-fold increased risk for a breakthrough infection following vaccination instead of reinfection after recovery. The vaccinated subjects had a 27-fold increased risk for symptomatic COVID-19 than the previously recovered. There were eight hospitalized patients among the vaccinated and one among the recovered cohort. Thankfully, there were no deaths...."

 

[Andre]

Yep.

"...After adjusting for comorbidities, there was a 13-fold increased risk for a breakthrough infection following vaccination instead of reinfection after recovery. The vaccinated subjects had a 27-fold increased risk for symptomatic COVID-19 than the previously recovered. There were eight hospitalized patients among the vaccinated and one among the recovered cohort. Thankfully, there were no deaths...."

OK fair enough, as long as we realize these facts in no way weaken the argument for getting vaccinated.

 

[canadyjd]

OK fair enough, as long as we realize these facts in no way weaken the argument for getting vaccinated.

It does weaken the argument to target and attack “unvaccinated” people who have had the virus and recovered as being responsible for outbreaks of variants.

It weakens the arguments for mask mandates, distancing, shutdowns etc… based solely on “vaccination rates” instead of combining vaccination rates with recovery rates to make those decisions.

In short, it weakens the political effort to corrupt science that Dems need to cheat in elections.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

OK fair enough, as long as we realize these facts in no way weaken the argument for getting vaccinated.

It really doesn't. I watched a Dr today who is head of Houston Cardiac wing. He is treating most of the Covid because they are treating it as a blood disease. He is not anti or pro vax. He is vax according to risk group
He pointed out today that by all criteria, Pfizer is a failed vaccine that should be pulled from market. He said the standard has always been greater than 50% success at preventing infection (not serious illness) at 12 months post vax, without a booster. He said Pfizer in its own data reported they are under 50% at 8 months
He then went on to say Moderna 76% at 8 months and probably will not fail. 2shot Jantzen probably won't fail either.
He advised anyone who has a positive Covid antibody test to not under any circumstances get vaccinated. If no positive test, weigh the decision based on your risk factors.

I would welcome more information from people like him instead of the rabbid from vax and the fruitcake fringe of anti.

 

[Andre]

He pointed out today that by all criteria, Pfizer is a failed vaccine that should be pulled from market. He said the standard has always been greater than 50% success at preventing infection (not serious illness) at 12 months post vax, without a booster.

This is not convincing at all.

Think about the argument you are putting before the reader: you are saying that Pfizer is a "failed" vaccine because it has relatively low efficacy in preventing infection.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands, perhaps more, worldwide who have not died and not been hospitalized because they have been vaccinated.

A vaccine that prevents serious illness and death is most certainly not a "failed" vaccine even if it has zero % chance of preventing an infection.

 

[Andre]

If no positive test, weigh the decision based on your risk factors.

Well, this doctor is then at odds with the overwhelming majority of experts who simple message is:

Get vaccinated.

It is highly misleading, I suggest, to tell people with no medical expertise to "weigh your risk factors".

What risk factors? What condition, short of the rare person with a history of violent reactions to vaccines, are there to consider?

 

[canadyjd]

This is not convincing at all.

Think about the argument you are putting before the reader: you are saying that Pfizer is a "failed" vaccine because it has relatively low efficacy in preventing infection.

Tell that to the hundreds of thousands, perhaps more, worldwide who have not died and not been hospitalized because they have been vaccinated.

A vaccine that prevents serious illness and death is most certainly not a "failed" vaccine even if it has zero % chance of preventing an infection.

Generally, people survive at above 99% rate. How did this vaccine improve that?

peace to you

 

[just-want-peace]

Just think, if covid gets reduced to just a serious bug, what are the dems gonna use for “sheeple control”? Right now their fear mongering is working to a large extent with the “variants” popping up, so they ain’t gonna let that go without a fight. After all, how are the teachers unions gonna sit on their duff WITH PAY without the virus to excuse working????
Something for both pro & anti vaxers to consider!

 

[SGO]

I won't tell you today but I will to monger.