US and Israel

[Agent47]

All foreign policy is powered by self interest. There is nothing like altruism in FP.

Out of all countries US works with Israel is the most parasitic. US gains nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing by having Israel as an ally.

Trump walked away from JCPOA in part to spite Obama and in part under pressure from Israel which felt the deal never covered Iran exporting ‘terrorism’ (read Hezbollah and Houthis). But US largest partner in ME, Saudi Arabia is the biggest exporter of terrorism. Clearly, Iran was and is not a threat to the US but to Israel. If the US spent as much energy containing Saudi Arabia then the world would be a safer place.

The US should cut off Israel and focus in real existential threats of China and Russia instead of being bogged down by an inconsequential patch of land.

 

[church mouse guy]

Israel is one of our most reliable allies. Also, the Israeli military is one of the best in the world.

 

[Agent47]

Israel is one of our most reliable allies. Also, the Israeli military is one of the best in the world.

If they are that good then they would not need US doing their dirty jobs for them.

‘Reliable ally’. Explain to me what US gains from this relationship

 

[GoodTidings]

All foreign policy is powered by self interest. There is nothing like altruism in FP.

Out of all countries US works with Israel is the most parasitic. US gains nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing by having Israel as an ally.

Trump walked away from JCPOA in part to spite Obama and in part under pressure from Israel which felt the deal never covered Iran exporting ‘terrorism’ (read Hezbollah and Houthis). But US largest partner in ME, Saudi Arabia is the biggest exporter of terrorism. Clearly, Iran was and is not a threat to the US but to Israel. If the US spent as much energy containing Saudi Arabia then the world would be a safer place.

The US should cut off Israel and focus in real existential threats of China and Russia instead of being bogged down by an inconsequential patch of land.

The reason we walked away from the JCPOA is because it was a deal where we pay to perpetuate the elaborate fiction that Iran was only seeking nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, when it is clear to any thinking person and anyone who is up on the facts, that Iran was using the money to actually continue to build nuclear weapons.

It used the money, not to help their own people but to affect a military build up, to export terrorism. Even the fact Iran would not allow proper inspections was evidence that they had no intentions of honoring any agreement to stop them from producing nuclear weapons.

It has nothing to do with Israel. Israel is always the fall guy for haters. It's intellectually lazy to play the "Israel" card. So you can dispense with the anti-Semitic barbs. It has no place on a Christian message board.

 

[GoodTidings]

If they are that good then they would not need US doing their dirty jobs for them.

‘Reliable ally’. Explain to me what US gains from this relationship

How the U.S. Gains from Israel Alliance
Here's why the US and Israel are such close allies
U.S.-Israel: A Special Alliance

 

[Agent47]

The reason we walked away from the JCPOA is because it was a deal where we pay to perpetuate the elaborate fiction that Iran was only seeking nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, when it is clear to any thinking person and anyone who is up on the facts, that Iran was using the money to actually continue to build nuclear weapons.

It used the money, not to help their own people but to affect a military build up, to export terrorism. Even the fact Iran would not allow proper inspections was evidence that they had no intentions of honoring any agreement to stop them from producing nuclear weapons.

It has nothing to do with Israel. Israel is always the fall guy for haters. It's intellectually lazy to play the "Israel" card. So you can dispense with the anti-Semitic barbs. It has no place on a Christian message board.

I knew it was a matter of time before you dropped slurs to feel smarter. What is so anti-Semitic about my comment?

I believe in Israel as much as I believe in Djibouti. I can criticize a government without demeaning or suggesting inferiority of the governed . When you grow up you will learn the difference. Trump supporters were once critics of Obama,and nobody suggested they were anti-American

To the point, the only unthinking here is Trump. Maybe he should tell the world what he sees in Iran that not even Britain,France and Germany, America’s erstwhile allies are not seeing.

Trump’s excuses for quitting JCPOA are the same parroted by Israel before the ink dried on the agreement. That’s enough reasons to finger Israel as the leading motivation for walking out of JCPOA.

 

[Agent47]

How the U.S. Gains from Israel Alliance
Here's why the US and Israel are such close allies
U.S.-Israel: A Special Alliance

I can see you are busy fishing for talking points. Since I’m engaging you and not those sources, please summarize them for me right here

 

[GoodTidings]

I knew it was a matter of time before you dropped slurs to feel smarter. What is so anti-Semitic about my comment?

Calling Israel a "parasite" is a typical anti-Semitic slur that Israel haters use all of the time.

I believe in Israel as much as I believe in Djibouti. I can criticize a government without demeaning or suggesting inferiority of the governed . When you grow up you will learn the difference. Trump supporters were once critics of Obama,and nobody suggested they were anti-American

Not the same. Obama was anti-American. I don't really care about how much your believe or don't believe in Israel. You can criticize Trump's policy toward the JCPOA without stooping to the level of demonizing Israel in the process with what appears to be nothing but a conspiracy theory about them. Take your anti-Semitism somewhere else. This is a Christian board.

To the point, the only unthinking here is Trump. Maybe he should tell the world what he sees in Iran that not even Britain,France and Germany, America’s erstwhile allies are not seeing.

Trump’s excuses for quitting JCPOA are the same parroted by Israel before the ink dried on the agreement. That’s enough reasons to finger Israel as the leading motivation for walking out of JCPOA.

Trump didn't offer excuses. Everyone knows that Iran wasn't going to honor the deal and was already demonstrating such. Our allies in Europe are weak and spineless and don't have a clue how to lead and they are all too happy to let Iran continue pulling the wool over their eyes.

 

[Revmitchell]

All foreign policy is powered by self interest. There is nothing like altruism in FP.

Out of all countries US works with Israel is the most parasitic. US gains nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing by having Israel as an ally.

Trump walked away from JCPOA in part to spite Obama and in part under pressure from Israel which felt the deal never covered Iran exporting ‘terrorism’ (read Hezbollah and Houthis). But US largest partner in ME, Saudi Arabia is the biggest exporter of terrorism. Clearly, Iran was and is not a threat to the US but to Israel. If the US spent as much energy containing Saudi Arabia then the world would be a safer place.

The US should cut off Israel and focus in real existential threats of China and Russia instead of being bogged down by an inconsequential patch of land.

Nothing about this post is true

 

[Agent47]

Nothing about this post is true

This comment has changed my life

 

[GoodTidings]

I can see you are busy fishing for talking points. Since I’m engaging you and not those sources, please summarize them for me right here

"Israel's intelligence and insights into Middle Eastern affairs is "unparalleled" throughout the world and "benefits the US in all sorts of ways." For decades, intelligence analysts have regarded Israel's Unit 8200 as one of the most elite in the world. The unit functions similarly to the US National Security Agency, and the two work closely together.

In 2010, for example, the US and Israel collaborated on one of the most-sophisticated malware systems ever created, Stuxnet, to infiltrate Iran's cyber infrastructure and slow progress towards nuclear weapons without firing a shot. In missile defense as well, US and Israel have worked together to field some of the most effective systems around. "Here's why the US and Israel are such close allies

"Washington's partnership with Israel has helped the United States maintain its global edge without compromising its interests in the Arab and Muslim worlds."How the U.S. Gains from Israel Alliance

Strategic Cooperation
Economic Ties
Academic Connections >>>U.S.-Israel: A Special Alliance

To say that the US gets nothing from being an ally of Israel is factually incorrect and historically illiterate.

 

[Agent47]

Calling Israel a "parasite" is a typical anti-Semitic slur that Israel haters use all of the time.

Typical is in the eyes of the beholder. I have given my reasons. Israel draws billions of $$ and resources without reciprocating. Your eyes to refute this.

Not the same. Obama was anti-American.

The most popular US president in modern history both in and out of the US.

I don't really care about how much your believe or don't believe in Israel. You can criticize Trump's policy toward the JCPOA without stooping to the level of demonizing Israel in the process with what appears to be nothing but a conspiracy theory about them. Take your anti-Semitism somewhere else. This is a Christian board.

For the umpteenth time there is a difference between racism and criticism.

Trump didn't offer excuses. Everyone knows that Iran wasn't going to honor the deal and was already demonstrating such. Our allies in Europe are weak and spineless and don't have a clue how to lead and they are all too happy to let Iran continue pulling the wool over their eyes.

Who is this ‘everyone’ who excludes all but US and Israel?

The ‘weak and spineless’ allies are the same US has been begging to accompany them to senseless misadventures in Afghanistan,Iraq,Syria etc

 

[GoodTidings]

Typical is in the eyes of the beholder. I have given my reasons. Israel draws billions of $$ and resources without reciprocating. Your eyes to refute this.

They return a lot of that foreign aid to the US in the form of weapon purchases.

The most popular US president in modern history both in and out of the US.

His the most unamerican president we have ever had and one of the most scandal ridden.

For the umpteenth time there is a difference between racism and criticism.

When Israel is singled out for special condemnation and that special condemnation isn't even true, yeah, that's not "criticism." That is far more than criticism. Israel is on the receiving end of a lot hateful garbage that masquerades as "criticism."

Who is this ‘everyone’ who excludes all but US and Israel?

"Everyone" all of our allies, all interested parties. They knew Iran wasn't going to fulfill it's obligations, but for the sake of "the deal" they were willing to perpetuate the lie that Iran was just seeking peaceful nuclear energy.

The ‘weak and spineless’ allies are the same US has been begging to accompany them to senseless misadventures in Afghanistan,Iraq,Syria etc

Unfortunately, yes. They are weak and spineless when it comes to leadership. Twice the US has had to spend blood and treasure to rescue Europe. They have now capitulated to the Muslims to the point that they are slowly losing their own national identity to the Muslims they foolishly welcomed to their nations in droves. Even John Cleese lamented that London is no longer British.

The Europeans are used to weak kneed US presidents, they are used to making promises that will never be kept, they are used to America paying their bills and Trump isn't going to let us do that any longer. Europe is going to have to start paying their way and pulling their own weight as allies instead of expecting the US to pick up their slack.

 

[Agent47]

To say that the US gets nothing from being an ally of Israel is factually incorrect and historically illiterate.

You are right. I will study further to avoid embarrassing myself.

Cheers

 

[HankD]

Israel is the international log in the Progressives collective eye.

Israel is currently the up and coming probable cause of WWIII - Israel and Iran have a destiny.

Everything is falling into place but the timing seems off:

Revelation 9:13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.

Euphrates: Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia

Seems only China could muster a 200 million man army on horseback to cross over into Israel to push her into the sea.


However a 13 month war killing 1/3 of mankind seems difficult without nuclear devices.
World population 7.7 billion, 1/3 a little over 2.5 billion.

With the current provocations of the imams it may be sooner than we had expected.

What happened to the rapture? Did I miss it

 

[church mouse guy]

I knew it was a matter of time before you dropped slurs to feel smarter. What is so anti-Semitic about my comment?

I believe in Israel as much as I believe in Djibouti. I can criticize a government without demeaning or suggesting inferiority of the governed . When you grow up you will learn the difference. Trump supporters were once critics of Obama,and nobody suggested they were anti-American

To the point, the only unthinking here is Trump. Maybe he should tell the world what he sees in Iran that not even Britain,France and Germany, America’s erstwhile allies are not seeing.

Trump’s excuses for quitting JCPOA are the same parroted by Israel before the ink dried on the agreement. That’s enough reasons to finger Israel as the leading motivation for walking out of JCPOA.

The Europeans are selling Iran the stuff to build an atomic bomb thinking that it will be some months before Iran drops it on Paris or Berlin.

Another thing that the USA gains from Israel is information from the superb Israeli intelligence service and that goes all the way back into the cold war and the defeat of the Soviet Union.

Obama made a bad deal. What does he care? He is on the Riviera now living it up and meeting with Merkel and Marcon. Obama is filthy rich.

 

[HankD]

The Europeans are selling Iran the stuff to build an atomic bomb thinking that it will be some months before Iran drops it on Paris or Berlin.

Another thing that the USA gains from Israel is information from the superb Israeli intelligence service and that goes all the way back into the cold war and the defeat of the Soviet Union.

Yes I was an Intel/Info technician during the Cold War on the BMEWS Missile defense line.
Russia hates us with a holy passion now more than ever because they believe Reagan caused the dismantling of the USSR.

They want REVENGE but after what Trump did (!.4 TRILLION) to beef up the military they are truley scared of him.

Plus they actually have some credulity about the urban legend of Bob Lazar and Area 51 - that we have other world weapons of mass destruction that will KILL all electricity across the Russian land mass causing them to be totally vulnerable.

Good keep believing.

 

[Agent47]

Plus they actually have some credulity about the urban legend of Bob Lazar and Area 51 - that we have other world weapons of mass destruction that will KILL all electricity across the Russian land mass causing them to be totally vulnerable.

No way

They believe this?

There is Covert Canal channel with quite comprehensive videos on military gear and all. In this video he argues that secret weapons don’t make sense. If your enemy has no idea what you possess they can’t fear you. Explains why US and Russia keep on flashing new toys every now so often

 

[Agent47]

The Europeans are selling Iran the stuff to build an atomic bomb thinking that it will be some months before Iran drops it on Paris or Berlin.

Can you back this up with some evidence? Which European countries and what exactly do they sell to Iran?
To the best of my understanding it is the US that modernized Iran’s military before the Revolution. Everything else they get from either China or Russia

 

[HankD]

No way

They believe this?

There is Covert Canal channel with quite comprehensive videos on military gear and all. In this video he argues that secret weapons don’t make sense. If your enemy has no idea what you possess they can’t fear you. Explains why US and Russia keep on flashing new toys every now so often

You are wrong and way off base. Take the Rosenberg case and think about it.

When we dropped the bombs on Nagasaki/Hiroshima Japan the world was shocked and astonished, no one knew except the tight circle of scientists what the ultimate repercussions would be.

The Rosenbergs were executed for releasing DETAILS of our secrets “Conspiracy to Commit Espionage.”

which was quite an incentive to SHUT UP!

After 50 years there are "things" which will go to the grave with me.

One exception was the 911 catastrophe and you were correct it had to do with information which is/was VERBOTTEN to speak about yet it was broadcast on TV all over the nation after 50 years of secrecy that I never heard compromised and never heard an official declassification so it was a blunder I assume - because "it" was quickly removed from the press releases but not all.

Also as a civilian I worked for NUSC (Naval Underwater System Center) as a Software Engineer.

If we flash toys it is probably because they have been replaced though one can still go to jail for exposing details.
The Russians KNOW this and are stupid in that respect.