US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

[JohnDeereFan]

So Westboro Baptist have competition for the 'Most Hateful Nutjobs Masquerading As Christians' Prize 2010?

Good luck. Hope you win.

Like flag-burning, they've got the legal right to do it, and I've got the legal right to call the 'Rev' Terry Jones a hate-filled, tiny-willied, purulent-execrescence-on-the-backside-of-humanity tosser.

And yet, he hasn't said or done anything "hateful". So far, the only person I see being hateful is you.

 

[Jedi Knight]

The Bible is very clear. Do not repay evil for evil. Do what you would have others do to you NOT WHAT they do to you.

Let's think like Christians, as 'aliens and strangers in the world'

I don't see any believers here wanting to repay evil for evil, but does not the scripture say love protects? In fact love protects even from a false religion that uses the arm of the flesh to push their agenda....that's the governments job. The point some seem to miss is that moderate Muslims and extremism are in a mixed bag. A moderate Muslim is like a professing christian that don't take the bible serious. An extremism is a Muslim that takes the Koran serious and acts on it.

 

[Matt Black]

I think we do need to be discerning because in reading this article, I can see a lot of OUR churches included in the descriptions. Remember how the world views the church and followers of the Bible. Here's part of the article and I'll add my comments in between (this is a running part of the article with nothing removed from the beginning to the end although it's not the complete article - just what I wanted to touch on:



Could the "radicalism" be a liberal way of saying "standing on Scripture"? The "suspicions of financial irregularities" could be an excuse because if it were true, they would have said something about it being investigated but it looks like nothing was done with it.



Again, can this be a liberal way of saying "They told us what the Bible said but we didn't want to listen??"



How many of you pastors consider yourself appointed by God?? And how many teach that disobeying spiritual authorities in Biblical matters is disobeying God? I know in our church we've had LOTS of examples of this. One that I can think of off hand is a young woman who was in ministry who moved in with a man who she was not married to. Our pastor met with her and explained Scripture and said that if she chooses to disobey, she's disobeying God and they would remove her from the ministry. Of course her view is that we're narrow minded bigots who need to get our heads out of the sand.



What Protestant Church is he an official in? Is it an Evangelical church that stands on the Word of God? So Terry Jones is a fundamentalist. I'm sure each and every one of my pastors including my husband would be labeled as such as well.



"Obviously not totally impartial" is a pretty important phrase here. "Usually" is another pretty important term.



Did he urge them to beat their children or did he encourage parents to discipline their children sometimes spanking them? Our church does that. So does the Bible. Of course it could be off on the other end AKA Michael Pearl which is totally wrong. "A distinctive demonology" doesn't tell us if he's teaching the Biblical teaching on demons and angels and the "conducted brainwashing" is quite subjective. Someone just posted on Facebook a few weeks that everyone in my church is being brainwashed because of our pastor's teaching. Of course she has been married three times and her husband now has decided he's a woman and most in our congregation say that's wrong. We're brainwashed, I tell you!!



What's delusional about that??



Did they have to or was it a ministry that the church was running and many did help? I don't know what "very poor conditions" are - it would be interesting to find out more about this.

So what about all this makes him a "delusional personality"?



Heretical I say!! Hang him!! So he asks a homosexual to repent (and apparently is working with him??) and is preaching against a false religion to his congregation in an area where Islam is gaining GREAT footholds?? Sacrilege!!




Was this a case of worldly German culture winning? I know American churches that have done the same.



I just don't know if we can ascribe this motivation to the man.

...all of which would be fine and dandy, but unfortunately I don't think that particular spin will work on his other characteristic, which was to strongly discourage members from having contact with their families. Sorry, but that smells like a cult to me (why are they always called 'Jones'?).

 

[annsni]

...all of which would be fine and dandy, but unfortunately I don't think that particular spin will work on his other characteristic, which was to strongly discourage members from having contact with their families. Sorry, but that smells like a cult to me (why are they always called 'Jones'?).

Oh totally. Some of the things I read about his rules for that "school" are REALLY off. Timing the showers? Telling them what to wear when?? Controlling much???? Bleck!!

But in that article, I didn't see anything that screamed "cult" to me but honestly what could possibly be a media reporter who "bends" his report a bit to say "Isn't this weird?? They follow the Bible!" You know??

 

[annsni]

Paul - what are we as Christians commanded to do? Go out to all nations, right?

What do you think islam preaches? "Stay at home"?

Yep - but a big difference is that we're not told to kill anyone who doesn't agree with us. We preach and leave the results to God. They preach and if you don't respond, they make sure you MEET God.

 

[Matt Black]

Good luck. Hope you win.



And yet, he hasn't said or done anything "hateful". So far, the only person I see being hateful is you.

So you like the guy?!? Wow. Just wow.

 

[Nonsequitur]

So Christians who believe in God should care that a fake book, written by a pedophile, about a fake god, is burned?

 

[shodan]

But I say to you who hear me...--Jesus, Luke 6

So Christians who believe in God should care that a fake book, written by a pedophile, about a fake god, is burned?

Yes, Christians should care...

--about insulting others

--about innocent lives lost when strife is provoked

"Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone....Romans 12

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ...If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them..." Luke 6

"Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us....

"Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone..."
--1 Peter

Read Acts 17 to see how Paul talked to people who believed in fake gods...He did not burn their books, he quoted them.

 

[Nonsequitur]

Yes, Christians should care...

--about insulting others

--about innocent lives lost when strife is provoked

"Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone....Romans 12

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ...If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them..." Luke 6

"Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us....

"Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone..."
--1 Peter

Read Acts 17 to see how Paul talked to people who believed in fake gods...He did not burn their books, he quoted them.

So.....what did we do BEFORE 9-11?

 

[Nonsequitur]

Yes, Christians should care...

--about insulting others

--about innocent lives lost when strife is provoked

"Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone....Romans 12

"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ...If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them..." Luke 6

"Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul. Live such good lives among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us....

"Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. Show proper respect to everyone..."
--1 Peter

Read Acts 17 to see how Paul talked to people who believed in fake gods...He did not burn their books, he quoted them.

Please show your address to all. If you believe what you just wrote, then you have no problem with anyone who comes to your house and rapes and pillages your household.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I'm not worried about the moderate Muslims, I'm worried about the fanatical ones that fly planes into buildings killing thousands of innocent civilians.

It is the fanatical ones that will force you to follow their religion. And it is already happening in this country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47-NG80CWYo

Actually, these are fairly ordinary Muslims, yet they are forcing their religion on Americans right now.

I watched the video here. Obviously, nothing illegal should be tolerated and I would be totally opposed to unconstitutional actions or legislation. The constitution does not give any religion the authority to lord their religious principles over others.

However, not too long ago many here defended the right of a Christian cab driver not to drive a woman to an abortion clinic because of his Christian principles.

If he has a right to do so, why doesn't a Muslim cab driver have a right to refuse a fare that would violate his principles?

We are going to have to decide if we really believe in freedom of religion or not.

 

[Don]

I watched the video here. Obviously, nothing illegal should be tolerated and I would be totally opposed to unconstitutional actions or legislation. The constitution does not give any religion the authority to lord their religious principles over others.

However, not too long ago many here defended the right of a Christian cab driver not to drive a woman to an abortion clinic because of his Christian principles.

If he has a right to do so, why doesn't a Muslim cab driver have a right to refuse a fare that would violate his principles?

We are going to have to decide if we really believe in freedom of religion or not.

Actually, Roger, you could phrase it even more strongly: We're going to have to decide if we support the Constitution of the United States or not.

 

[Matt Black]

So Christians who believe in God should care that a fake book, written by a pedophile, about a fake god, is burned?

I care about common courtesy, reaching out to people with the love of Jesus rather than insulting them.

Let's take an analogy: I have a friend who is morbidly obese. I'm concerned that he is unhealthily overweight and that this will in all probability shorten his life. I can either:

(a) Suggest he and I join a 'WeightWatchers' group and help each other lose weight together (I'm not exectly svelte myself); or

(b) Call him 'fatty', 'fatty-boom-boom', 'lard-a**', 'Mr Gutbucket', 'fatso', etc.

I prefer (a). 'Pastor' Jones' approach seems to be more modelled on (b).

 

[shodan]

Please show your address to all. If you believe what you just wrote, then you have no problem with anyone who comes to your house and rapes and pillages your household.

You certainly display the definition of your 'handle' "nonsequitur" in spades!