The CDC now there is a good source. 
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Vaccinations no help against Covid?
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Scott Downey
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exactly, ministry of truth are they ...The CDC now there is a good source.
Good as any (for the data).The CDC now there is a good source.
To paraphrase Churchill's quote, "Never has so much been owed by so many to so few" regarding covid,
NEVER HAS SO MUCH (palaver, mis-info, speculation & lies )
BEEN SPOUTED (expressed as expert opinion, lied about, fabricated etc)
BY SO FEW (who REALLY know squat about the subject).
'Course this fiasco is open to many other variations of this quote ---!!??
CONSIDER: If conservatives do not regain control of the gov't in '22 - assuming we last that long - all this malarkey is just a taste of what will ensue. And we could lose due to apathy OR increased sophistication in cheating!!
NEVER HAS SO MUCH (palaver, mis-info, speculation & lies )
BEEN SPOUTED (expressed as expert opinion, lied about, fabricated etc)
BY SO FEW (who REALLY know squat about the subject).
'Course this fiasco is open to many other variations of this quote ---!!??
CONSIDER: If conservatives do not regain control of the gov't in '22 - assuming we last that long - all this malarkey is just a taste of what will ensue. And we could lose due to apathy OR increased sophistication in cheating!!
“There is a clear message that's coming through: This is becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” Walensky said. “We are seeing outbreaks in parts of the country where we're seeing low vaccination coverage.”
She continued, “The good news is, if you're fully vaccinated, you're protected … our biggest concern is we are going to continue see preventable cases, hospitalizations, and sadly, deaths among the unvaccinated.”
CDC: COVID-19 Is a 'Pandemic of the Unvaccinated'
She continued, “The good news is, if you're fully vaccinated, you're protected … our biggest concern is we are going to continue see preventable cases, hospitalizations, and sadly, deaths among the unvaccinated.”
CDC: COVID-19 Is a 'Pandemic of the Unvaccinated'
Have you bothered to research who and what she is?
Doesn't matter.
U.S. COVID Deaths Are Rising Again. Experts Call It A 'Pandemic Of The Unvaccinated'
COVID-19 cases among unvaccinated surge, making up 94% of all cases in Louisiana since May | Department of Health | State of Louisiana
Statistics show the stark risks of not getting vaccinated against COVID-19
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...s-are-now-of-unvaccinated-people-experts-say/
Almost all new COVID-19 cases are among people who have not been vaccinated
Or maybe if those majority of people that got sick with the vaccine as per the OP were blamed and punished for getting the shot?
The problem is that evil people who can and should not be believed are the ones pushing the stats and story. When the folks promoting an agenda also are known to have evil agendas that negates all that they say.
Theta why I say look at the data and make up your own mind (don't trust the conclusions of others). We know substabtually more unvaccinated people die of the delta varient than vaccinated people (data).
The conclusion involves coming up with the why. Some say the vaccine works. Others say those unvaccinated people actually died of something other than the virus.
The CDC now there is a good source.
Wiki on the CDC
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - Wikipedia
propaganda
we don’t know that. We were told all sorts of data about early infection rates now it turns out the quick tests couldn’t differentiate between COVID and influenza. All that so called “ data” was wrong then yet it was used to shut everything down.
When Trump was in office they were bashing the vaccine. Then we needed to get it to get back to normal. Now people are dying from it and they still want people to wear masks indoors post vaccine.
They push it, it kills people, they move the goal posts and keep everyone on lockdown and in masks anyway.
we are all over it and the so called “ data”.
that’s like satan trying to tell you how good the beast is
First, do i trust the vaccination and the scientist that came up with it, ah no I don’t. There are too many ambiguities, too many unanswered questions, too much experimentation.
Second, what about the data that tells of alternative drugs that are proven to work w/o harming the patient? In this country, that information is kept from the public.
three, if this is the pattern of health care ie, forced vaccine then at least revoke the waver for bringing charges against pharmaceutical companies and health care industry. I’ve personally have been down that road, a very painful road and my stance is to insure accountability from the gods of health and welfare to the nation.
Second, what about the data that tells of alternative drugs that are proven to work w/o harming the patient? In this country, that information is kept from the public.
three, if this is the pattern of health care ie, forced vaccine then at least revoke the waver for bringing charges against pharmaceutical companies and health care industry. I’ve personally have been down that road, a very painful road and my stance is to insure accountability from the gods of health and welfare to the nation.
In the midst of all your lies, this one really jumped out.
Who is "they" and what evidence do you have that they were "bashing the vaccine," which was not available until the very end of Trump's Presidency?
Speaking for myself, I volunteered to be a test subject. I also registered for the vaccine while Trump was still President and finally received my first dose in mid-February.
Yet the data in the OP says the opposite. So it seems to depend on who we want to believe. There is no way that such wide differences in numbers could be natural or possible merely because of a geographical distance as far as I can see. So if the great majority of sick are already vaccinated in one place, it is not believable that some 99% or whatever in another city would be unvaxxed! I have to say we are being lied to. How about demanding honest stats? How many people really got sick from the vaccine and died? Who has those stats? When someone drops dead or feints on a field a week or whatever after a jab, do you think they attribute that to the vaccination?! There does not seem to be any truth to the stats. Do you have stats on how masks cause bacterial infections in a nation? Do you have stats on how many millions will starve to death as a result of the lockdown measures? Do you add covid depression suicide and drug deaths to the stats? Who exactly declares that most cases they see are unvaccinated people? Proof?
Probably others say that the stats are a fraud. I think I mentioned this but will say it again. If the ungodly (like Biden and etc etc) say to go one way, I will go another. If they claim one thing I will lean toward the opposite as probably having more value. Ps 1 Blessed is the man that walks not in the advice of the wicked.
It seems to me that many were saying they would not trust it because Trump was advocating it, and, I assume, because they wanted to mess him up any way possible.
Trump was trying to rush it, without testing, bypassing safety and testing protocols. Trump had advocated dangerous treatments already, and looked quite foolish when he publicly speculated that putting bleach and sunlight into the body could fight COVID-19. If it was clear that Trump himself was making medical safety decisions, it would undermine confidence in the vaccine.
That's your bias showing. I opposed Trump from the beginning, but I give his administration credit for getting Operation Warp Speed going and investing the money to develop vaccines.
The irony is that Trump's supporters are LEAST likely to receive the vaccine as some sort of solidarity with Trump and QAnon, even though Trump received it in January.
canadyjd
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Absolute nonsense. Trump had no input on the scientists developing the vaccine. They repeatedly stated they followed all safety protocols. He did push for changes in the process of approval at various stages, but all steps were followed.
Additionally, vaccine hesitancy is most prevalent among minorities (black and Hispanic), hardly widespread Trump supporters.
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