Vaccinations no help against Covid?

[JonC]

I just showed a link where most of the sick were vaccinated from the CDC. I guess either the new variants change things or they were lying more in the past.

Ever wonder why there is no vaccine against the common cold? I also posted a link showing how vaxxed people spread it as much at least as the unvaxxed.

By the way the definition I cited was from a dictionary as well. Maybe some dictionaries are updated with a more politically correct definition?

One way to know if it is fake news is whether it agrees with reality outside the article.

Most of the people are vaccinated. So I wouldn't be surprised if most of the COVID+ cases are vaccinated people. That just makes sense.

BUT most of the COVID deaths are unvaccinated people.

I doubt most would consider the Oxford dictionary as contemporary political correctness.

What dictionary did you use?

 

[dad2]

Most of the people are vaccinated. So I wouldn't be surprised if most of the COVID+ cases are vaccinated people. That just makes sense.

BUT most of the COVID deaths are unvaccinated people.

I doubt most would consider the Oxford dictionary as contemporary political correctness.

What dictionary did you use?

I can't remember, but here is one.

noun
any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production

Definition of vaccine | Dictionary.com

 

[JonC]

I can't remember, but here is one.

noun
any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production

Definition of vaccine | Dictionary.com

I probably wouldn't have picked Dictionary.com and complained about the Oxford dictionary....but whatever.

Immunity is the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells (Dictionary.com).

That is the point. No vaccine is 100%. But all of the COVID vaccines used in the US give the vaccinated the ability to resist infection by the specific antibodies (here, to help resist the CoV-2 virus).

So I agree, the COVID vaccines are legitimately vaccines. Their effectiveness is TBD.

 

[Wingman68]

mRNA Vaccine Inventor: COVID-19 Vaccines May Make Virus More Dangerous

 

[dad2]

I probably wouldn't have picked Dictionary.com and complained about the Oxford dictionary....but whatever.

Immunity is the ability of an organism to resist a particular infection or toxin by the action of specific antibodies or sensitized white blood cells (Dictionary.com).

That is the point. No vaccine is 100%. But all of the COVID vaccines used in the US give the vaccinated the ability to resist infection by the specific antibodies (here, to help resist the CoV-2 virus).

So I agree, the COVID vaccines are legitimately vaccines. Their effectiveness is TBD.

Except that the vaccines kill people. The vaccines do not work apparently either all that well! The vaccines are apparently becoming useless against new strains more and more! The vaccines are based on killing babies, (the research for them) The vaccines are being pushed by the most wicked people on earth that also push overtly Satanic agendas. (like those governments that aid and abet and partake and promote killing babies and denying natural sex)

 

[JonC]

Except that the vaccines kill people. The vaccines do not work apparently either all that well! The vaccines are apparently becoming useless against new strains more and more! The vaccines are based on killing babies, (the research for them) The vaccines are being pushed by the most wicked people on earth that also push overtly Satanic agendas. (like those governments that aid and abet and partake and promote killing babies and denying natural sex)

Vaccines always carry a risk of killing people.

John MacArthur said that he is not sure of the effectiveness of the vacvine, but if it is needed for travel (like traveling out of the country) he would recommend taking the vaccine.

I disagree with you - John MacArthur may not be always be correct but he is not among the most evil people on earth pushing a Satanic agenda.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

As of July 19 there were .0018% vaccinated deaths. But that does not mean these few died of the vaccine any more than everyone who died with COVID died of COVID. Remember, vaccines started with the elderly.

Your post is what you rightly called "fake news" when dealing with COVID percentages.

Looks like you are allowing your politics to affect your discernment, Brother.

Do you believe in the VAERS stats?

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Vaccines always carry a risk of killing people.

How many vax caused deaths are you comfortable with before your sense of moral outrage takes over?

 

[37818]

From what we know it does not negate natural immunity, but rather provides greater protection depending on the severty of COVID experienced and the antibodies produced.

Vaccinated people contracting COVID have experienced a lower viral load (which is why they are considered unable to transmit COVID). The antibodies produced naturally depends on the severity of the illness (several have had COVID more than once).

From further reading, the claim is vaccination further improves one's immunity.

 

[JonC]

How many vax caused deaths are you comfortable with before your sense of moral outrage takes over?

How Many COVID deaths are you satisfied with before your sense of moral outrage takes over?

If you break your arm and require surgery I know you would decline for fear of dying from the surgery (which would carry a risk). But I am not afraid of the risks. I weigh them, the benefits, and make my decision.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

How Many COVID deaths are you satisfied with before your sense of moral outrage takes over?

I do not believe the WHO and the CDC as well as VAERS. I do not believe that which is called COVID caused deaths as much as aged people with co-morbidities.
The death rate in America has remained stable for the last several years. I am speaking of all deaths. And that's about 8,000 people per day or a bit less than 3 million per year. Even with the hyper-inflated numbers in which nearly every death was called "caused by COVID" -- the overall death rate has remained the same.

If you break your arm and require surgery I know you would decline for fear of dying from the surgery (which would carry a risk). But I am not afraid of the risks. I weigh them, the benefits, and make my decision.

That which you think you know is 100% wrong. But one thing I will stipulate is that I will not accept a blood transfusion. I will not accept blood from a COVID vaccinated person.

 

[dad2]

Vaccines always carry a risk of killing people.

Hey, some of them even carry a risk of helping you not get killed

John MacArthur said that he is not sure of the effectiveness of the vacvine, but if it is needed for travel (like traveling out of the country) he would recommend taking the vaccine.

Right.

I disagree with you - John MacArthur may not be always be correct but he is not among the most evil people on earth pushing a Satanic agenda.

Except he never pushed that agenda and in fact even challenged the new vaccine world order in keeping open his church. I don't think that people who allow for a possibility of getting something in order to travel to preach the gospel are pushing for the agenda. Funny you should misrepresent things that way.

Oh and I did not say everyone that is pushing for the vaccines is wicked either! I did say some of the most wicked people and governments are. Since you never post the bits about the abortion connection in what you reply to, or the things about natural sex and children, it makes me wonder a bit.

 

[JonC]

I do not believe the WHO and the CDC as well as VAERS. I do not believe that which is called COVID caused deaths as much as aged people with co-morbidities.
The death rate in America has remained stable for the last several years. I am speaking of all deaths. And that's about 8,000 people per day or a bit less than 3 million per year. Even with the hyper-inflated numbers in which nearly every death was called "caused by COVID" -- the overall death rate has remained the same.

That which you think you know is 100% wrong. But one thing I will stipulate is that I will not accept a blood transfusion. I will not accept blood from a COVID vaccinated person.

Well, since the elderly were the primary focus of the vaccinations then you are faced with being a bit hypocritical. You would have to attribute the very few deaths post-vacvination to probable ore-existing conditions as well to avoid this hypocrisy.

Then the best you can say is you are not sure the vaccine really works, abd perhaps the CoV-2 virus is not really that dangerous.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Well, since the elderly were the primary focus of the vaccinations then you are faced with being a bit hypocritical. You would have to attribute the very few deaths post-vacvination to probable ore-existing conditions as well to avoid this hypocrisy.

Before the so-called vaccinations were rolled out heavily in Jan. is what I was focusing on. The so-called COVID deaths were hyper-inflated as I has said. The aged with co-morbidities were the vast majority who died. The survival rate for the overwhelming percentage of the population is very high.

However, the vax-caused deaths for this year has, contrary to your understanding, been very high.

 

[JonC]

Hey, some of them even carry a risk of helping you not get killed


Right.

Except he never pushed that agenda and in fact even challenged the new vaccine world order in keeping open his church. I don't think that people who allow for a possibility of getting something in order to travel to preach the gospel are pushing for the agenda. Funny you should misrepresent things that way.

Oh and I did not say everyone that is pushing for the vaccines is wicked either! I did say some of the most wicked people and governments are. Since you never post the bits about the abortion connection in what you reply to, or the things about natural sex and children, it makes me wonder a bit.

Some of the most wicked people on earth, with a Satanic agendas, are anti-vacvination. Your comment, then, was meaningless.

I do not believe vaccinations are used as abortion shots. The CDC urged caution for pregnant women and said they needed to consult their doctors. So the abortion link falls on those docs, not the vaccine.

Ibuprofen can cause abortions. Do you believe the government should make ibuprofen illegal....well, I guess so or you'd be hypocritical.

In fact, in addition to making Advil and Motrin illegal, you would outlaw Primaquine, Cipro, Primsol, Coumadin, Pepto-Bismol, and Aleve.

Do you believe people who take Pepto-Bismol, Aleve, Advil, or Motrine realize they are contributing to abortion (per your reasoning)?

 

[dad2]

Some of the most wicked people on earth, with a Satanic agendas, are anti-vacvination. Your comment, then, was meaningless.

Not at all. That is true. That does not mean that all who go along with the agenda are also wicked. You know what some is? How about all? Again you misrepresent what I said and meant. This time I have to consider it deliberate.

I do not believe vaccinations are used as abortion shots.

What I said was that they are based on abortion research. I am starting to see a pattern here with you.

The CDC urged caution for pregnant women and said they needed to consult their doctors. So the abortion link falls on those docs, not the vaccine.

Ibuprofen can cause abortions. Do you believe the government should make ibuprofen illegal....well, I guess so or you'd be hypocritical.

In fact, in addition to making Advil and Motrin illegal, you would outlaw Primaquine, Cipro, Primsol, Coumadin, Pepto-Bismol, and Aleve.

Do you believe people who take Pepto-Bismol, Aleve, Advil, or Motrine realize they are contributing to abortion (per your reasoning)?

So now you try to obfuscate. Can you cite the number of babies that were killed by 'pepto bismo'? How about this, are you opposed to any abortion or not? Might as well cut to the chase here. Would you call the agenda of the Biden regime wicked? Yes or no? Might as well get at the root of the problem here.

 

[JonC]

Before the so-called vaccinations were rolled out heavily in Jan. is what I was focusing on. The so-called COVID deaths were hyper-inflated as I has said. The aged with co-morbidities were the vast majority who died. The survival rate for the overwhelming percentage of the population is very high.

However, the vax-caused deaths for this year has, contrary to your understanding, been very high.

Yes, as of July 19 the post vaccine death rate is .0018%. But this also includes those you say should be excluded (the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions).

Do you not see how it is very dishonest to claim the COVID death rate in the US (.017) is inflated for not excluding the elderly and pre-existing conditions yet deny the post-vacvine death rate in the US (.001) should not exclude the elderly and pre-existing conditions???

Your "very high" death rate for vaccinated people is much lower than the COVID death rate. Remove the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions if you like...BUT be honest and remove them from both sides of the equation.

I do not mind a discussion of the virus or the vaccine (I really do not care) but any discussion should at least be an honest one.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

From further reading, the claim is vaccination further improves one's immunity.

Long term or short term? How might this question be compared with the issues around the Chickenpox vaccine. I think the chickenpox vaccine is still not used and maybe even banned in some countries, for fear it will increase the number of deaths in the longterm?

 

[JonC]

Not at all. That is true. That does not mean that all who go along with the agenda are also wicked. You know what some is? How about all? Again you misrepresent what I said and meant. This time I have to consider it deliberate.

What I said was that they are based on abortion research. I am starting to see a pattern here with you.




So now you try to obfuscate. Can you cite the number of babies that were killed by 'pepto bismo'? How about this, are you opposed to any abortion or not? Might as well cut to the chase here. Would you call the agenda of the Biden regime wicked? Yes or no? Might as well get at the root of the problem here.

The World is the World. When you call the pro-vaccine World evil you are correct. BUT if we agree that the anti-vacvine World is evil then you are really not saying anything at all.

I would call the principalities and powers of this World evil. I do not know Biden's agenda (but I do remember that the vaccine was produced under the Trump Administration and sped along under Trump's "Operation Warp Speed").

I do not know the percentages for Bismuth subsalicylate (pepto bismo), but Advil and Motrine can cause the pathways in the baby's heart to close and Aleve can restrict blood flow to the fetus (resulting in birth defects, mental issues, and miscarriage). Aspirin can also be detrimental to the baby (directing blood fo the uterus).

The question to ask is not how many babies will these medications kill but how many you think is too many. Is not one aborted baby one too many?????

Research shows Aleve, Motrin, Advil, and Pepto-Bismol cause spontaneous abortions. Do you believe those medications should remain on the market?

 

[Reynolds]

The question I have, does the covid vaccine negate the natural immunity? I have heard conflicting stories about the natural immunity from only a few months (my doctor) to years (on a web site).

EU will give you a vaccine passport if you have antibodies or have had Covid and recovered.