Valedictorian sues over Gospel speech

[KenH]

I have already provided you case law that says otherwise.

I reckon we'll see if this case makes it to court.

 

[webdog]

Give me one that says it's OK. Give me a biblical precident. I don't see anyone in the Bible suing, ever. I see submission.

That's not a defense. You claimed suing is sin. It's on you to prove your statement...not on me to prove your statement wrong.

 

[webdog]

Just curious...would we all be up in arms if the girl was muslim, and wanted to mention Muhammed and her religion at the commencement? Budhhist? Jehovah's Witness? Atheist?

 

[Don]

Ask the writer of Hebrews, who put Rahab, a lying whore, into the "heroes of faith" list.

Well, let's see: Was Rahab in that list because she lied?

31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.

Nope, she was in that list because she had faith. The others in the town that didn't, perished. Did she lie? Yes. Did Hebrews record her as a "lying whore"? Nope; it recorded her as a harlot, and didn't mention the lie at all.

Please tell me you're not a fan of Bob Enyart.

 

[hillclimber1]

Just curious...would we all be up in arms if the girl was muslim, and wanted to mention Muhammed and her religion at the commencement? Budhhist? Jehovah's Witness? Atheist?

I don't know about "Up in arms" but I'd be ticked off if any of them gave their false religious testimony, and I'd want to try minimizing their damage somehow.

 

[Alcott]

Please tell me you're not a fan of Bob Enyart.

I'm not a fan of Bob Enyart, a name I am not familiar with.

 

[KenH]

I don't know about "Up in arms" but I'd be ticked off if any of them gave their false religious testimony, and I'd want to try minimizing their damage somehow.

Free speech only for Christians, eh?

 

[hillclimber1]

Free speech only for Christians, eh?

All are afforded free speech, but these promoting false religions, should be countered if possible. I support free speech, but abhor evil entities leading souls astray.

 

[KenH]

All are afforded free speech, but these promoting false religions, should be countered if possible.

Are you willing to allow people of other religions or even atheists to counter as well?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

All are afforded free speech, but these promoting false religions, should be countered if possible. I support free speech, but abhor evil entities leading souls astray.

People of other religions consider Christianity false. Thus the need for neutrality vis-a-vis religion in public schools. Either all have it, or none do.

 

[Alcott]

"Ken" and "BaptistBeliever" and perhaps more on here would opt for "none do."

 

[Magnetic Poles]

"Ken" and "BaptistBeliever" and perhaps more on here would opt for "none do."

I can't speak for others, but I opt keep religion and state separate. It's worked pretty well so far.

 

[Alcott]

How well does it seem to be working in another recent case-- some sikh guy hauled in for speeding who won't take off his turban in court? Is that state, or is it church? or should they not be separated here?

 

[kubel]

She is being persecuted not because she spoke outside of her pre-submitted speech. She is being persecuted because she spoke of her faith, specifically, about Jesus Christ. She apologized for speaking outside of her pre-submitted speech, but the school did not accept that apology.

Had she not mentioned Jesus Christ, and instead, spoke outside of her pre-submitted speech of something unreleated to her faith, there would have been no demand for an apology (I'm speculating here, but I'm sure others would agree).

She is being asked... or forced rather... to make an apology for sharing the gospel, plain and simple. In this case, a lawsuit is not only legal; it is ethical, and it is necessary.

Nowhere in the article does it identify whether the girl intended to add that bit, and didn't tell the school officials. It also doesn't say whether she was suddenly led to do so. It also doesn't seem to mention (or I may have missed it) that she was specifically told beforehand not to include religious comments.

Agreed. The lawsuit does not ask for any money (except to cover legal fees). It asks for clarification of the policy, and for her diploma.

 

[KenH]

She is being persecuted because she spoke of her faith, specifically, about Jesus Christ.

In a taxpayer-financed event she should not have strayed from her speech on any subject. The school had the final say on what could be said during its event and it was unethical for this young woman to stray from her previously approved speech without asking permission beforehand if it would be okay for her speak extemporaneously.

 

[carpro]

In a taxpayer-financed event she should not have strayed from her speech on any subject.

SCOTUS doesn't agree.

"Students in public schools don't have the same rights as adults, but neither do they leave their constitutional protections at the schoolhouse gate," the court said in a landmark speech-rights ruling from Vietnam era.

 

[KenH]

SCOTUS doesn't agree.

SCOTUS doesn't agree with my position on abortion either but I still disagree with SCOTUS.

 

[carpro]

SCOTUS doesn't agree with my position on abortion either but I still disagree with SCOTUS.

Uh huh.

I'm sorry. I didn't understand that you were merely stating you opinion.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

In a taxpayer-financed event she should not have strayed from her speech on any subject. The school had the final say on what could be said during its event and it was unethical for this young woman to stray from her previously approved speech without asking permission beforehand if it would be okay for her speak extemporaneously.

Agreed.

Plus, I didn't agree with what she said either.

At my graduation, the young lady who gave the speech referred to God numerous times as "She". She actually got a few boo's during the speech. I wish the school had kept her from talking about God.

There is a time and place for everything. This was neither the time nor the place.

Every single one of you that agree with her on this would have the opposite opinion if she was a Muslim trying to convert people to Islam.

 

[moondg]

Agreed.


Every single one of you that agree with her on this would have the opposite opinion if she was a Muslim trying to convert people to Islam.

Well Yea Islam is a cult. :jesus: Is the answer.