Vax Facilitates Omicron Infection

[Aaron]

Research Indicates Vaccines Provide Reduced Effectiveness Against Omicron

The Omicron variant of SARS-CoV-2 is much more effective at infecting people vaccinated against the COVID-19 disease it causes, a review of research on the subject suggests.

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A recent Danish study found that a fully vaccinated individual in an Omicron-infected household was about as susceptible to get infected as an unvaccinated individual.

SARS-CoV-2 Omicron VOC Transmission in Danish Households​

 

[Aaron]

Omicron Spreads Faster Than Delta Within Vaccinated Individuals: Danish Study

A Danish study of nearly 12,000 households has discovered that Omicron spreads faster than Delta among those who are fully vaccinated, and even faster between those who have received booster shots, indicating the variant’s ability to better dodge vaccine-induced immunity. Unvaccinated individuals were about as susceptible to infection as vaccinated. Those with a booster were less susceptible.

The Omicron variant was found to evade the immunity of vaccinated individuals much more easily compared to Delta, while among the unvaccinated, it spread only somewhat faster than Delta, according to the study conducted by researchers at the University of Copenhagen, Statistics Denmark, and Statens Serum Institut.
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[JonC]

Omicron Spreads Faster Than Delta Within Vaccinated Individuals: Danish Study

A Danish study of nearly 12,000 households has discovered that Omicron spreads faster than Delta among those who are fully vaccinated, and even faster between those who have received booster shots, indicating the variant’s ability to better dodge vaccine-induced immunity. Unvaccinated individuals were about as susceptible to infection as vaccinated. Those with a booster were less susceptible.

The Omicron variant was found to evade the immunity of vaccinated individuals much more easily compared to Delta, while among the unvaccinated, it spread only somewhat faster than Delta, according to the study conducted by researchers at the University of Copenhagen, Statistics Denmark, and Statens Serum Institut.
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I'd imagine so. For the most part the vaccinated are not the ones in the hospital or dead. Heck, most are asymptomatic.

That's what I mean by time to move on and leave the anti-vaxers behind.....let people live or die with the decisions they make.

 

[Aaron]

Heck, most are asymptomatic.

Also true of the unvaxxed infected with the original Wuhan strain.

That's what I mean by time to move on and leave the anti-vaxers behind.....let people live or die with the decisions they make.

SNIP.

 

[Aaron]

@JonC , go away. Quit dogging my posts and editing them. You are disingenuous, at best. You want to get your digs in with false accusations, labels and just plain false information, and then you use your moderator access to remove responses that call you out.

This is a Christian board, and some degree of integrity is required to interact therein. Should be a requirement for moderators too.

 

[JonC]

@JonC , go away. Quit dogging my posts and editing them. You are disingenuous, at best. You want to get your digs in with false accusations, labels and just plain false information, and then you use your moderator access to remove responses that call you out.

This is a Christian board, and some degree of integrity is required to interact therein. Should be a requirement for moderators too.

I made no edits. I offered no digs. I made no accusations. YOU are the one making false accusations. YOU are the one getting in digs. YOU are the one with the insults.

I just stated my opinion that it is time to move on. Let people live or die with their decisions and stop trying to make decisions for other people.

Your reply? You make false accusations that I edited something. Rather than dealing with my actual comments you engage ad hominem. For some strange and twisted reason you drag my position as a moderator into a dialog about vaccines.

Your constant habit of replying with insults and false accusations - constantly trying to attack people rather than engage the posts - just prove your inability to argue your position.

And this goes for @Wingman68 and @xlsdraw (as they voiced agreement with your false accusations and insults). You all forget this is a Christian board.

 

[JonC]

If any member wants to honestly argue against my post I will restate my opinion -

It is time to move on. Time to let people live or die with their decisions. The information is out there. Both sides need to stop trying to shove their agenda down our throats. We make decisions for our health. We gain the benefit or suffer the consequences.

 

[Two Wings]

Both sides need to stop trying to shove their agenda down our throats.

hey JonC! I was beginning to think you had me on ignore or something. Haven't seen you post since '22 got started!

Here's my problem with this opinion. False equivalency. the ONLY legitimate point you have in this "shoveling" is in the push to restrict an employer's ability to force the jab on its employees.

Assign to that a value of egregiousness/offense to liberty.

On the other side is literally the Federal Government coercing the jabs. State/Local governments colluding with employers to bribe the acceptance of the jabs.

Local governments requiring the jab to dine in/et al.

misinformation campaigns on the source of the virus and our Fed Govt's role in it.

cries from the cv jabbed about working with the cv non-jabbed. Really?

Oh ... then we have here on this very board the declaration of sin for refusing the cv jab. Choice.

declarations by the front man himself (fauci) for needing more time to know whether a 4th jab is warranted ... something which should have been known before being rolled-out to the public and could have been if only industry standard had been applied to this injectable drug.

So ... I can stipulate there's an offense to an employer's freedom to run their business (but even in this, it's not like there are no other regulations; relevant or otherwise) ... can you consider for a moment that to the degree this is true, the shoveling is several orders of magnitude greater in the pro cv jab circle?

I mean ... it's not even close to equivalent.

 

[JonC]

hey JonC! I was beginning to think you had me on ignore or something. Haven't seen you post since '22 got started!

Here's my problem with this opinion. False equivalency. the ONLY legitimate point you have in this "shoveling" is in the push to restrict an employer's ability to force the jab on its employees.

Assign to that a value of egregiousness/offense to liberty.

On the other side is literally the Federal Government coercing the jabs. State/Local governments colluding with employers to bribe the acceptance of the jabs.

misinformation campaigns on the source of the virus and our Fed Govt's role in it.

cries from the cv jabbed about working with the cv non-jabbed. Really?

Oh ... then we have here on this very board the declaration of sin for refusing the cv jab. Choice.

declarations by the front man himself (fauci) for needing more time to know whether a 4th jab is warranted ... something which should have been known before being rolled-out to the public and could have been if only industry standard had been applied to this injectable drug were used.

So ... I can stipulate there's an offense to an employer's freedom to run their business (but even in this, it's not like there are no other regulations; relevant or otherwise) ... can you consider for a moment that to the degree this is true, the shoveling is several orders of magnitude greater in the pro cv jab circle?

I mean ... it's not even close to equivalent.

I've been busy with the new year. Sorry if I've neglected your posts .

I do believe our rights should be preserved. This one (the right of a man to run his business) is not too important to me except in future implications. But this is not the context I mean.

What I am talking about are individual people who have a need to tell others what they should do. I have not told you that you should be vaccinated. That is not my business. And you have not, that I recall, told me I should not be vaccinated.

The whole vaccinated thing has become old. We know the vaccine is safe for most people. We do not know if it will work with future varients. We know most who get covid (vaccinated or not) will survive.

Offer booster shots. 4th, 5th, etc. Don't mandate them, but make them avaliable. I'll take them. Others will not. Let each person decide his or own health and his or her own business affairs.

The only reason to keep the virus and vaccine in the spotlight is politics.

 

[KenH]

It is time to move on.

Yep. The anti-vaxxers just keep repeating the same old worn out diatribes over and over and over and over...blah, blah, blah.

The rest of the world gets it. They aren't ever going to get vaccinated against COVID-19. You would think if they are so confident about their position, then they would quit posting the same diatribes over and over and over and over...blah, blah, blah.

Also, don't they claim that people should make up their own minds about the COVID-19 vaccine? If so, they made their point. Everyone understands their point. So why don't they just move on?

God is sovereign...all the time. So what happens to anyone - vaccinated or not vaccinated - it is all according to God's purposes.

 

[Two Wings]

Sorry if I've neglected your posts

haha ... I said I'd missed YOUR posts, not that I've felt neglected.

The whole vaccinated thing has become old.

Given this is being argued in front of the Supreme Court right now ... I'd say it's not "old." It may be getting tiresome ... and for that we must ask why?

Does sharing the Gospel get tiresome? No. Why? Because it's The Truth.

Now I'm not declaring jab or no jab to be like The Gospel ... only relating the reason it may be getting tiresome to defend the cv jab. It's not truth. It wasn't born in truth, it wasn't developed in truth ... it's not maturing in truth.

talking points become tiresome to repeat over and over.

truth does not.

there remains a political end to this. You're not wrong there. I still believe this is to foster the consolidation of power in government ... ultimately for the revelation of antichrist and the one world govt. It's coming quick. the window is beginning to close on this cv jab story's effectivness ... and there will be political consequences, even if short lived.

 

[Two Wings]

So why don't they just move on?

ah because folks aren't being availed the opportunity to "make up their own minds" We literally have a Supreme Court case on this very thing right now.

 

[JonC]

Yep. The anti-vaxxers just keep repeating the same old worn out diatribes over and over and over and over...blah, blah, blah.

The rest of the world gets it. They aren't ever going to get vaccinated against COVID-19. You would think if they are so confident about their position, then they would quit posting the same diatribes over and over and over and over...blah, blah, blah.

Also, don't they claim that people should make up their own minds about the COVID-19 vaccine? If so, they made their point. Everyone understands their point. So why don't they just move on?

God is sovereign...all the time. So what happens to anyone - vaccinated or not vaccinated - it is all according to God's purposes.

I think it's because the anti-vax early predictions proved false (over 60% of the world population is vaccinated and the anti-vax fears proved untrue). They can't let it go because it has become political and about everything but vaccines and viruses.

 

[KenH]

ah because folks aren't being availed the opportunity to "make up their own minds" We literally have a Supreme Court case on this very thing right now.

People can still make up their own minds, as long as they really have the courage of their convictions and are willing to accept the consequences of making up their own minds.

 

[JonC]

haha ... I said I'd missed YOUR posts, not that I've felt neglected.



Given this is being argued in front of the Supreme Court right now ... I'd say it's not "old." It may be getting tiresome ... and for that we must ask why?

Does sharing the Gospel get tiresome? No. Why? Because it's The Truth.

Now I'm not declaring jab or no jab to be like The Gospel ... only relating the reason it may be getting tiresome to defend the cv jab. It's not truth. It wasn't born in truth, it wasn't developed in truth ... it's not maturing in truth.

talking points become tiresome to repeat over and over.

truth does not.

there remains a political end to this. You're not wrong there. I still believe this is to foster the consolidation of power in government ... ultimately for the revelation of antichrist and the one world govt. It's coming quick. the window is beginning to close on this cv jab story's effectivness ... and there will be political consequences, even if short lived.

I disagree. That it IS being argued in front of the Supreme Court proves it has become old. It is no longer about health but about politics.

The SCOTUS has no legitimate place with determining the effectiveness of medical procedures. They are legal experts - not medical experts.

The vaccine-virus issue is over. Now it is just politics, agendas and politicians.

 

[Two Wings]

The SCOTUS has no legitimate place with determining the effectiveness of medical procedures.

Given all 9 are apparently cv jabbed, I'm pretty sure they won't seek to decree medical policy .... but the legality of forcing the cv jab is certainly a relevant topic and IS the basis of the objection.

The virus-vaccine issue is HARDLY over. We continue to see changes in the response ... and the trend isn't for more freedom, it's for less.

 

[KenH]

I think it's because the anti-vax early predictions proved false (over 60% of the world population is vaccinated and the anti-vax fears proved untrue). They can't let it go because it has become political and about everything but vaccines and viruses.

I actually sympathize with their criticism to a certain extent as public health officials did poorly(not sure they could have done much better due to the lack of information) at the start of this in the United States in March 2020 when the idea was spread to shut down everything for 2-6 weeks to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed and then everything would go back to normal. That is not what ended up happening, obviously. As the old saying goes, "You only get one chance to make a good first impression."

 

[KenH]

The SCOTUS has no legitimate place with determining the effectiveness of medical procedures. They are legal experts - not medical experts.

I hope that SCOTUS throws out the federal mandate. Of course, I wish they would throw out 90% of what the federal government does, as I think the federal government has gone WAY past the limited powers that the Founding Fathers gave it. But I know minarchists like me lost that battle over a hundred years ago.

 

[Two Wings]

People can still make up their own minds, as long as they really have the courage of their convictions and are willing to accept the consequences of making up their own minds.

that sounds great KenH ... but you appear to be overlooking that the convictions aren't equally yoked. eg ... the decision to mandate the cv jab doesn't have integrity. if there were liability to the mandator, then perhaps. But without that, there's no integrity in the decision.

losing a career job for which one requires a resume greater than "holds GED" ... is insane. Ditto is the defense of such a position.

the cv jabs don't preclude infection (which is why the cv jabbed are whining about the possibility of working with non-cv-jabbed)

the cv jabs don't mitigate transmission ... in fact ... because they DO typically reduce symptoms, but not eliminate, the cv jabbed is more likely to go to work sick and transmit than the non-cv-jabbed who gets symptoms sufficient to "stay home" and NOT transmit.

 

[KenH]

that sounds great KenH ... but you appear to be overlooking that the convictions aren't equally yoked. eg ... the decision to mandate the cv jab doesn't have integrity. if there were liability to the mandator, then perhaps. But without that, there's no integrity in the decision.

As I have stated on this board before, I am opposed to COVID-19 vaccine mandates, especially ones by government on non-governmental people. Private businesses certainly should have the power to have mandates, as I support the free market.