Vax Facilitates Omicron Infection

[Two Wings]

criticism to a certain extent as public health officials did poorly(

the public health folks did precisely as they were told to do. This was a made-for-broadway play and for 3 months, I bought it.

As you mentioned, our Fed Govt has gone bonkers for over 100 years. This is the latest manifestation ... to see it affect governments world wide should give us who know The Truth an excitable pause ...

God speaks all of our languages. So does Satan.

 

[Two Wings]

Private businesses certainly should have the power to have mandates, as I support the free market.

yeah, except that this is a medical deal ... and there are PLENTY of regulations regarding disability/medical status/discrimination.

Perhaps you advocate for repeal of the ADA and all such employer-restricting laws. You'd be consistent.

This cv jab, however, has no business being mandated by anyone. Its safety is questionable at best. Its effectiveness is limited only in the symptoms of the jabbed ...

So ... the basis upon which a mandate would be applied is political at best.

 

[KenH]

Perhaps you advocate for repeal of the ADA and all such employer-restricting laws. You'd be consistent.

As far as I am concerned, the federal government has a constitutional warrant to handle foreign policy, the military, the post office, and disputes between states - and very little else.

 

[Two Wings]

Yeah, but I am not a premillennialist nor a worldly conspiracy theorist. That is I part company with both groups.

huh?

Are you addressing my comment about Satan speaking all our languages? for I fail to see the relevance about eschatology and our Fed govt's extra-Constitutional acts the last 100 years.

 

[Two Wings]

As far as I am concerned, the federal government has a constitutional warrant to handle foreign policy, the military, the post office, and disputes between states - and very little else.

I agree ... but that isn't what is happening. and regardless of the errant regulation ... the conversation has been anything but balanced for the decision to make a mandate to cv jab.

All market like ...

Why are there the bribes?

Why are there the coercions? (jab card to dine in/etc)

If this thing is all that and a bag of chips ... we'd all be rushing to get it. The truth marches on ... and we'll all know the truth about this cv jab deal one day.

We'll all eventually realize this was bad ju ju. Inevitable bad juju ... but bad juju nonetheless.

 

[KenH]

I agree ... but that isn't what is happening. and regardless of the errant regulation ... the conversation has been anything but balanced for the decision to make a mandate to cv jab.

All market like ...

Why are there the bribes?

Why are there the coercions? (jab card to dine in/etc)

If this thing is all that and a bag of chips ... we'd all be rushing to get it. The truth marches on ... and we'll all know the truth about this cv jab deal one day.

We'll all eventually realize this was bad ju ju. Inevitable bad juju ... but bad juju nonetheless.

As a free market advocate, I think companies should be able to set the terms to employ people, regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agrees with the terms. If one doesn't like the terms, then don't ask to work there.

 

[KenH]

huh?

Are you addressing my comment about Satan speaking all our languages? for I fail to see the relevance about eschatology and our Fed govt's extra-Constitutional acts the last 100 years.

I deleted the post.

 

[Two Wings]

As a free market advocate, I think companies should be able to set the terms to employ people, regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agrees with the terms. If one doesn't like the terms, then don't ask to work there.

this gets to a conversation about organized labor. Why it came about, why its still unfortunately necessary ...

There's a point at which it becomes a relevant check/balance on the power of a few to effect so many ... part of this is the problem with our overbloated Fed govt. On this we agree. But we must also recognize that, in particular, a large cap corp's humans are fallen too and there is a righteous need to be the "accumulator" ... mitigate the draws on the system ... for proper operation.

 

[KenH]

this gets to a conversation about organized labor. Why it came about, why its still unfortunately necessary ...

There's a point at which it becomes a relevant check/balance on the power of a few to effect so many ... part of this is the problem with our overbloated Fed govt. On this we agree. But we must also recognize that, in particular, a large cap corp's humans are fallen too and there is a righteous need to be the "accumulator" ... mitigate the draws on the system ... for proper operation.

A union is also a private organization. I have no problem with a private organization being a check on another private organization. That is what competition is all about. Companies should be interested in attracting the best employees they can get and unions should be interested in getting the best deal they can for their members. Companies try to sell the most products at the best price they can accept and consumers try to buy products at the best price they can accept.

 

[JonC]

Given all 9 are apparently cv jabbed, I'm pretty sure they won't seek to decree medical policy .... but the legality of forcing the cv jab is certainly a relevant topic and IS the basis of the objection.

The virus-vaccine issue is HARDLY over. We continue to see changes in the response ... and the trend isn't for more freedom, it's for less.

It all goes to politics. The trend has nothing to do with freedom. The issue is over insofar as medical implications go. Now it's just politics.

 

[Two Wings]

A union is also a private organization. I have no problem with a private organization being a check on another private organization. That is what competition is all about. Companies should be interested in attracting the best employees they can get and unions should be interested in getting the best deal they can for their members. Companies try to sell the most products at the best price they can accept and consumers try to buy products at the best price they can accept.

but you know what's inhibiting this? yes, you do.

Big Govt.

Anyhow ... as has been tried to be compared with the finesse of shifting gears in a 1962 Chevrolet bus ... mandatory vaccinations ... by anyone ... needs to be accompanied with some truth and integrity. The Washington Continental Army order was of a disease which was truly devastating and the countermeasure was a 50 plus year running vaccination.

require companies to hold bonds for the compensation of disability/death ... then there might be a bit of thawing on the oppositional iceburg.

@KenH ... ED ... sorry "quick pickle"

require employers to have the ability to compensate through retirement. If the jabs truly are safe, then this is an insignificant requirement. If the requirement is more significant that that ... perhaps the jabs aren't quite as safe as would like to have been believed.

 

[Two Wings]

It all goes to politics. The trend has nothing to do with freedom. The issue is over insofar as medical implications go. Now it's just politics.

it's all it ever was, really ... but that doesn't make it irrelevant and "over."

 

[KenH]

but you know what's inhibiting this? yes, you do.

Big Govt.

Anyhow ... as has been tried to be compared with the finesse of shifting gears in a 1962 Chevrolet bus ... mandatory vaccinations ... by anyone ... needs to be accompanied with some truth and integrity. The Washington Continental Army order was of a disease which was truly devastating and the countermeasure was a 50 plus year running vaccination.

require companies to hold bonds for the compensation of disability/death ... then there might be a bit of thawing on the oppositional iceburg.

Good conversation. At the point, I am all discussed out with the whole thing. I am vaccinated with Moderna. When I get to my one year anniversary on April 13, then I'll decide if I want to get a yearly booster, much like I decide whether to get a yearly flu vaccine. That's where I am at and I'm moving on.

 

[JonC]

it's all it ever was, really ... but that doesn't make it irrelevant and "over."

It does to me. I don't care about secular politics. I voice my opinion against the anti-vaxers wanting to take away rights, and about the government overreaching. But this is just lumped into a whole bundle of political agendas. Nothing to do with the actual virus or vaccine.

 

[Two Wings]

It does to me. I don't care about secular politics. I voice my opinion against the anti-vaxers wanting to take away rights, and about the government overreaching. But this is just lumped into a whole bundle of political agendas. Nothing to do with the actual virus or vaccine.

I get your weariness with it.

But the fact that the cv jab doesn't prevent infection and doesn't prevent transmission ... for a public health purpose ... makes it a medical science issue and a basis for refuting the political/legal mandates.

... and just for integrity ... it's "anti-cv-vaxer" ... you're slipping. And it's not usurping rights anymore than one would presume to make the mandate for another. Odd that THIS usurpation isn't as offensive to you. But, noting your weariness, no reply is fine. Go take a breather.

 

[Reynolds]

Also true of the unvaxxed infected with the original Wuhan strain.

SNIP.

I am not sure what you said, but it must have been true and struck ole Johnny C nerves.

 

[Reynolds]

It does to me. I don't care about secular politics. I voice my opinion against the anti-vaxers wanting to take away rights, and about the government overreaching. But this is just lumped into a whole bundle of political agendas. Nothing to do with the actual virus or vaccine.

What other vax requires 5 month boosters? If any other vax we have required 5 month booster, after it's initial sequence, it would be labeled a failed vax.

 

[xlsdraw]

I made no edits. I offered no digs. I made no accusations. YOU are the one making false accusations. YOU are the one getting in digs. YOU are the one with the insults.

I just stated my opinion that it is time to move on. Let people live or die with their decisions and stop trying to make decisions for other people.

Your reply? You make false accusations that I edited something. Rather than dealing with my actual comments you engage ad hominem. For some strange and twisted reason you drag my position as a moderator into a dialog about vaccines.

Your constant habit of replying with insults and false accusations - constantly trying to attack people rather than engage the posts - just prove your inability to argue your position.

And this goes for @Wingman68 and @xlsdraw (as they voiced agreement with your false accusations and insults). You all forget this is a Christian board.

IMO, this is at best, a Laodicean Board. Common terminology would be BINO.

 

[percho]

As a free market advocate, I think companies should be able to set the terms to employ people, regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agrees with the terms. If one doesn't like the terms, then don't ask to work there.

Question

Let's say I work for a hospital and it says I must be vaccinated. I am 35 years old, just had an extensive medical checkup and have been found perfectly healthy, get the vaccine, then get the second vaccine, and fifteen days later have a heart attack.

Should I be able to sue the hospital? Should I be able to sue the maker of the vaccine?

Or died, should my next of kin be able to ________?

Who, gets to determine whether the vaccine was responsible?
How will it be determined, by science? Whose science, Dr. Fauci, Mr. wear a mask, no mask is needed, wear two mask? What about the Asian lady Dr. on CNN who pushed for masks for two years then comes out a few days ago and says mask never were going to work, what chance would I have of her science finding fault with the vaccine?

Who gets to determine if the vaccine was responsible?

How convenient that no one is responsible.

Nothing absolutely nothing should be mandated by anyone for which no one is responsible?


Just one more thought,


Gain of function. Why? Well, we scientist, need to study this just in case nature ever, evolves, one.

because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

Wonder who these, authorities, these world rulers, are?

 

[JonC]

I get your weariness with it.

But the fact that the cv jab doesn't prevent infection and doesn't prevent transmission ... for a public health purpose ... makes it a medical science issue and a basis for refuting the political/legal mandates.

... and just for integrity ... it's "anti-cv-vaxer" ... you're slipping. And it's not usurping rights anymore than one would presume to make the mandate for another. Odd that THIS usurpation isn't as offensive to you. But, noting your weariness, no reply is fine. Go take a breather.

It seems both the covid vaccination and "natural immunuty" prevents infection and contain, just not to a great degree.

For me, I don't care about preventing infection as much as mitigating symptoms. But to be fair, I had chickenpox so none of the vaccines I have had in my lifetime completely prevents infection. This is probably why I dismiss the "the covid vaccine provides only functional immunity, not sterilisingimmunity" argument.

I intentionally switched to anti-vax. I figured the context is an important part of the dialog and defined which vaccine we are speaking of. Also, less to type (excluding providing my readon for the change ).

I disagree that it is a medical - science issue at all. Medically we would save lives if we were to ban automobiles (or make people wear helmets in a car). But medical facts are only one factor in determining actions in a society.

It is 100% political now. Over 60% of the world population is vaccinated and this is a growing number. The vaccines have been proven to be effective against the covid varients present, but they lose effectiveness with changes in time and virus (we do not know what tomorrow will bring).

The anti-covid-vaxers have been proven wrong in the rhelm of science. Now the fight goes to the courts and laws as they seek to win via politics what was lost in the medical arena .

That's fine, but I really do not care about politics.

So my answer is the same - time to move on and let people live or die by their own decisions.