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Very sad commentary on the church today

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gb93433

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Revmitchell said:
I never debate literal flames because it is irrelevant. Hell is far worse than we could ever imagine. To be somewhere, where none of God's glory exists if unfathomable. I shutter at the thought. Add to that to be left to ourselves, our sin, our depravity is to tremendous to comprehend.
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I believe the issue of lames is one of biblical imagery. You are right about hell though. I do not see how I could hate someone so much that I would not tell them about what awaits them if they enter hell.

A friend of mine has a saying, "How much faster can we send them to hell."
 
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HankD said:
I only named these things as a clue as to whether this man came from a Primitive Baptist background. If you had heard from him any of these qualities of the "small" church he had attended.

This being related to the question as to the doctrine of hell and that there are some Primitive Baptists "no-hellers".
As far as I know these are the only Trinitarian Universalists that I know of except for a church in Boston in the 18th century.

Apart from all that, these are subjective questions, the answers depend upon how you view the Scriptures concerning each.

I'll give my answers apart from the Baptist Distinctives.

I believe the question concerning "small" would be answered with a "no" by almost everyone including myself. I would say no there is nothing wrong with "small" from the Scriptures. Personally after having been involved with both small and big, I prefer "small". In addition what is "small" to one may be "big" to another and vice versa. Small for me would be less than 100.

The modern missionary movement? For one thing, that depends upon the mission board. There have been many compromises along the way with the history of modern missions as well as the church at large, so I can't answer concerning a particular mission board unless I knew their view on several areas of doctrine along with their biography.

Generally speaking, Yes, I personally believe it is wrong NOT to support missions. While I know that most Primitive Baptists believe the Great Commission was given only to the Apostles in Matthew 28 but so was the authority to baptize, yet PB's baptize for membership. Myself, I believe the Great Commission extends to the present day.

As far as I know there are some PB's who support missions but they don't call it a mission or missions as such. They are willing to send "helpers" or "workers" to another local church or area to "help" with the work.

Sunday School? I don't find anything for or against it in the Scriptures.

I do find that we should desire the word both milk and meat to grow in knowledge and discernment without restriction as to the confines of the local church or one's age (the only necessity is the ability to read and/or understand it if spoken).

I hope I answered your questions to your satisfaction brother.

BTW, I have nothing against the Primitive Baptists and in fact I admire them because for the most part they are the "salt of the earth". They do seem to have a quarrelsome past but I believe all Baptists have that in common.



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Thank you very much for responding Hank. On the subject of the great commission I do indeed believe that it was fulfilled almost immediately on the day of Pentecost and confirmed in other places in the epistles. But I also believe it's not possible to constrain those living waters that are within the church, and that those who have tasted the joy, peace, and righteousness of the kingdom of God cannot help but to spread it. I believe the evangelic spirit to be a natural, inherent trait of any true church or believer. One desires to share it with others.
 
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kyredneck said:
Thank you very much for responding Hank. On the subject of the great commission I do indeed believe that it was fulfilled almost immediately on the day of Pentecost and confirmed in other places in the epistles. But I also believe it's not possible to constrain those living waters that are within the church, and that those who have tasted the joy, peace, and righteousness of the kingdom of God cannot help but to spread it. I believe the evangelic spirit to be a natural, inherent trait of any true church or believer. One desires to share it with others.
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And my thanks to you brother.


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Magnetic Poles said:
Or his "scribe" messed up. Check with any chemist. You can take salt of any age, and it will still be as salty as it ever was.
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Neither God nor his "scribe" messed up. Salt that loses its taste is Dead Sea salt. Hmm...that's just happens to be in that area of the world.
 
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Magnetic Poles

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matt wade said:
Neither God nor his "scribe" messed up. Salt that loses its taste is Dead Sea salt. Hmm...that's just happens to be in that area of the world.
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Any evidence of this? Again, despite what you want to believe, NaCl has saltiness as an inherent property, and does not suffer any reduction in that attribute over time.
 
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Magnetic Poles

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Some of the confusion may be that many seasonings, including pepper, do indeed lose their pungency and quality after time, especially when ground. But table salt is actually a rock, not a plant derivative. It is a chemical compound that maintains its attributes as long as it remains salt. It had great value in the ancient world. Hence terms like "salary" and "working at the salt mine".
 
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Magnetic Poles said:
Any evidence of this? Again, despite what you want to believe, NaCl has saltiness as an inherent property, and does not suffer any reduction in that attribute over time.
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"The salt that has "lost its taste" or "become insipid" may refer to a type of salt common in the Dead Sea area that is contaminated with gypsum and other minerals. It has a flat taste and is ineffective as a preservative. Such mineral salts were useful for little more than keeping footpaths free of vegetation. That may be why Jesus said that it is good for nothing but to be "trampled underfoot.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_in_the_Bible
 
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matt wade said:
"The salt that has "lost its taste" or "become insipid" may refer to a type of salt common in the Dead Sea area that is contaminated with gypsum and other minerals. It has a flat taste and is ineffective as a preservative. Such mineral salts were useful for little more than keeping footpaths free of vegetation. That may be why Jesus said that it is good for nothing but to be "trampled underfoot.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_in_the_Bible
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So the point remains, this particular salt is contaminated with other compounds. In and of itself, salt is not capable of losing its salty quality. But if the above is accurate (Wikipedia you know) it does place some missing context in place.
 
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kyredneck said:
....I believe the evangelic spirit to be a natural, inherent trait of any true church or believer. One desires to share it with others....
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I wish to rephrase this statement to read:

I believe the evangelic spirit to be a natural, inherent trait of any healthy church or believer. One desires to share it with others....[

I heard a deacon make the statement (I'm certain he was quoting), "The church languishes during times of prosperity but thrives under adversity."

I don't understand everything that's happening with the church right now, but I do believe adversity is coming upon us and the sickness of the church that has it's roots in prosperity will be corrected.
 
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matt wade said:
"The salt that has "lost its taste" or "become insipid" may refer to a type of salt common in the Dead Sea area that is contaminated with gypsum and other minerals. It has a flat taste and is ineffective as a preservative. Such mineral salts were useful for little more than keeping footpaths free of vegetation. That may be why Jesus said that it is good for nothing but to be "trampled underfoot.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_in_the_Bible
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I read this recently in a commentary. I can't remember which one. :)

It clears up the issue of salt losing it's flavor.
 
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