Video shows Bush knew Katrina was going to be bad.

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Media, Democrats Exaggerate Warning of Levee Breaches
By Jeff Johnson
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
March 03, 2006

EXCERPT

(CNSNews.com) - Critics of the Bush administration have promoted video of an Aug. 28, 2005, teleconference between emergency management officials and the president as proof that the White House was warned that levees around New Orleans would likely fail against Hurricane Katrina. But a closer examination of the recording and transcript shows no mention that the Crescent City's levees would be breached.

The Associated Press (AP) broke the story on Wednesday, claiming that "federal disaster officials warned President Bush and his homeland security chief before Hurricane Katrina struck that the storm could breach levees."

The next day, Media Matters for America (MMFA), a liberal advocacy group that criticizes news outlets for their alleged conservative bias, took two of the country's largest newspapers to task for their coverage of the video. MMFA declared as fact that, "on the day before Hurricane Katrina made landfall, President Bush was warned - and expressed concern - over the possibility that the levees in New Orleans would be breached by the storm."

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) joined the chorus of Bush critics later Thursday, claiming that, "During the briefing, National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield told the President that the integrity of the levees was 'a very, very grave concern,' which the President appears to have ignored."

The "grave concern" quote appears to have been taken from the Aug. 29 transcript of the meeting.

"I don't think any model can tell you with any confidence right now whether the levees will be topped, or not," Mayfield is quoted as saying. "But, that's obviously a very, very grave concern."

Further comparison of the video to the transcript by Cybercast News Service indicates that Mayfield's quote, which was not transcribed accurately, came from a discussion of the possibility that water from Katrina's storm surge might flow over the tops of the levees, not that the levees might fail.

 

Actually no you don't have to remnind me of Clinton's crime of perjury which incidentally was his smallest but widest advertized crime against the United States. Everyone that tries to deflect blame away from Dubya uses the same lame excuse. Maybe you missed it but Bush claimed the liar Clinton to be his adopted brother. Bill and Poppy Bush vacation together push the same agenda and work together for the same goal. Empowering the United Nations and what they call in PC terms "global governance".

Supporting globalists from either party will get you just what you are asking for a one way ticket to global tyranny. Have a nice trip.

 

Now we are forced to cope with another lie from our President. Not a mistake, an oversight, or any such thing; just another lie.

 

regardless whether Bush knew Katrina was coming or not. Those in NO were told to evacuate. No one can stop a storm, not even the President of the US. Quit blaming the Prez.

If ya don't like how he runs things while he is in office, move to another country. I think you will find america is not so bad

 

The OP is incorrect, a polite word for lie. The video said that the hurricane would likely cause overflow of the levees from Lake Pontchartrain not breach them. But anyone who had watched the history of Katrina for the preceeding week would know that was a possibility. It was a strong Cat 5 and slowed to a Cat 3 before landfall.

If we can just get that long haired high school teacher from Colorado on this Forum to help out Terry, poncho, Ken, and like minded persons.

 

Time for A few "inconvenient facts"

#1. Katrina hit August 29
#2. This video was released BY THE WHITEHOUSE to the press August 28!!!

THE POINT of the Video was to show (unlike the New Orleans and Louisianna government organizations) that the Federal government was taking this seriously BEFORE the storm hit.

The quotes from the President declaring the "obvious" which is that in a Category 5 Hurricane they still could not predict all the damage it would do ahead of time -- is just "obvious". (In fact it was Category 3 when it got to the city).

The idea that the Federal government never reacts to hurrican disasters is totally absurd!!

The idea that local and state governments should be overrun by the Federal government when it comes to natural disasters HAS NEVER BEEN APPROVED by Congress!! Until this is changed we will CONTINUE to follow the Law in America as we did in Florida, in the Carolinas and in every other state hit by natural disasters.

Folks you just can not have it "both ways"!!

What I don't get is WHY this is coming as such a huge surpise NOW that New Orleans is hit and the Dems simply want to blame the President whenever they catch cold??!!

The Federal government was NEVER put in the PLACE OF the local and state government as a first responder to natural disasters! Do we want to "CHANGE" that Law? Fine - pass a law placing the state and local governments in the back seat and placing the Federal government in charge of all operations in the states. (actually I think this is exactly where the Democrats want to take this. But they need enough "votes" to pull it off.)

But until they actually get that deed done - it does no good to blame the president for blunders at the local and state level JUST because those blunders are made by democrat politicians who "need" to blame the president whenever they mess up.

 

I thought the video had the quote saying "we DON't KNOW if the hurricane will top the levees or not"

In other words - they did not have prophetic utterances pre-landfall. But they did have the common sense to see a potential Hurricane Andrew coming in and press the local and state governments to accept federal help BEFORE the storm hit.

AS for the full accounting of the damage -- Even AFTER the Landfall as we saw with Hurrican Andrew it took many days to assess all the damage, loss of property and loss of life.

In addition the damage was increasing over time by the flooding action of broken Levees.

Did the LOCAL government KNOW about ITS OWN LEVEES as well as the 100's of parked buses that would be needed for evacuation? - Yes.

Dis the STATE government own and manage that system? - YES!

Did they position their OWN rescue resources out of harms way so they could rush in post-storm and rescue their own citizens? "Not really".

Did they USE those idle bus resources to take out that small percentage of their own populace that was most at risk? "Not really"

CAn those state and local government officials find a way to get dems to blame the President for their own blunders AS IF the Federal role was FIRST RESPONDER and LOCAL? Yes!! Absolutely yes!

And that is why we have the Red State / Blue State distribution that we have today.

 

Interestingly - the problem with the Levees was compounded by the fact that the state and local resources (Levee Pump operators, police etc) were not showing up for work and running the emergency equipment that had been placed there to respond to a flood problem.

But since those guys were not on the "federal" payroll I "guess" we can just overlook that inconvenient detail.

 

There are those that have been manipulating the weather for the military for years that say differently. Ben Livingston for instance was modifying hurricanes for the Navy reducing their strength in the 1960's and making it rain in Viet Nam for use as a weapon against the enemy.

So, actually it isn't true that the president and or congress is unable to change the weather. A more accurate statement might be that having the means they simply refuse to do so.

Why must anyone move to another country because they disagree with the president? I thought part of being a free nation was the right to disagree with government. Are you suggesting that America be run like the Soviet Union or communist China where people are not allowed to disagree with the government? That kind of defeats the whole idea of America and a government of by and for the people all together doesn't it?

Waylon "Ben" Livingston knows his ideas are controversial, so he steps lightly when talking about them. His theories have been proven, the technology is in place. Research shows his ideas could save hundreds, maybe even thousands, of lives.

He is a fascinating man with credentials as long as the wingspan of the airplanes he flew as a commander with the U.S. Navy in Korea and Vietnam.

Livingston, 77, moved to Midland with his parents during the Depression. He earned his master's degree in cloud physics from the Naval Weapons Center and Navy Post Graduate School in California, a degree he would use in the battlefields. He seeded clouds and dramatically increased rainfall in his theater of war, creating impassably muddy roads, slowing down the Vietnamese and Korean troops, and saving lives and entire towns from occupation.

He is proudest of his award from the secretary of Navy, which says, "Lt. Livingston directly participated in project flights in a combat zone, in program planning, scientific data collection and evaluation ... his unwavering devotion to duty were major factors in the outstanding success of the project and were instrumental in the development of a unique, major combat capability for the United States."

Before receiving the citation, Livingston was invited to the White House where he briefed President Lyndon B. Johnson on the effectiveness of weather control activities and the resulting slowing of traffic by the military support trucks bringing supplies to Southeast Asian troops.

Livingston's findings deal with hurricanes and what scientists call weather modifications. His research includes 265 missions into the eyes of hurricanes and he calls himself maybe the "most disgusted" person in the country about Hurricane Katrina.

The storm, he says simply, could have been dramatically curtailed, the damage minimized, the levees of New Orleans saved.

Livingston works with scientists and pilots at Weather Modification Inc., in Fargo, N.D. His theories also have been verified by staffers there. He has logged 15,000 hours of hurricane reconnaissance experience and all of his penetrations into the eyes of hurricanes were of the low-level variety -- where he would fly in from low altitude then up and into the eye. He said the refraction of light onto the water through the eye of a hurricane is the most beautiful and memorable site he has ever witnessed. It was made even more so after nightfall when the stars and moon work together.

"In the 1960s, a national priority of our government was hurricane control," Livingston said. "Silver iodide is used as a nuclei that causes raindrops to form. The original hypothesis is that if you get enough rain or cool air into a hurricane you can diminish its velocity and strength. When I left the military in the 1960s, we had the ability to do that, and reduce wind velocity in hurricanes by 25 percent and damage caused by a hurricane by 63 percent."

Livingston said his research of hurricane control was confirmed by the Stanford Research Institute. The program of controlling hurricanes, though, was mysteriously dropped by the federal government because of, as he termed it, "politics and professional jealousy." Livingston said powerful Washington lobbies control areas preventing the reinstatement of the hurricane-reduction program, and when asked why it has not yet been resinstated, Livingston cites what he calls an "industry of destruction."

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How do you feel about this president and government now standingfirminChrist? They know it's possible to stop billions of dollars in property damage and repair costs and save thousands of lives by spending a couple million but because of the profit involved they refuse to do it.

Who got those major contracts again? Oh yeah, Halliburton how convenient.

 

Livingston did not make it rain. He may have come up with theories, but that is it.

God is the one who controls storms. God is in the storm. Nahum 1

Are you saying this Livingston character can control God?

There is not one storm that hits this earth that is not controlled by God. There is not one storm on this earth that is controlled by man.

And yes, I believe if the president is the leader of the country, the country should let him lead.

 

You can write so I 'm guessing you can read. So, I'm having difficulty understanding why you didn't.

God made rivers too, are you saying man can't change their course? God made fishes too are you saying man can't make hybrids? God made dogs too are you saying man can't make different breeds? God made man too are you saying man can't change them into women? God made electricity too are you saying man can't harness and control it too?


The fact is man has been able to maniplute the weather for decades and reduce a storm's intensity for at least 40 years and this government will not let man do what he can to help other men because of greed greed greed.

http://www.weathermod.com/

God said He gave man dominion over the earth are you saying then that God would not allow man to excercise that dominion over a hurricane even when man has already proven he can in order to help his fellow man?

[ March 04, 2006, 05:18 AM: Message edited by: poncho ]

 

But apparently many will try

 

No one looks good in this -- from the top to the bottom or vice versa.

LA and the city of NO were not as prepared as other states & cities for the inevetibility of a major hurricane. I certainly hope that the powers that be in both have got someone working on a plan for a future devastating hurricane.

 

That video was produced two days before Katrina hit, was before the Whitehouse Press corp, (I think) and was distributed to all interested newsies. It's not a smoking gun, it was an estimate of damage assessment and readyness. Some folks are considering it a lost revelation of President Bush's cover up, or incompetance. This whole thing is obviously yet another example of incoherant hatred by the left for the President.

 

As I have said earlier, we need to pray for our leaders, whether we are happy with them or not.

God has Bush in office for a reason. Don't you trust God?

 

And Poncho, again I state, man cannot control God, who is in the storm. Man can only ask God to change the storm. Man is not stronger than God, Livingston's fiasco's prove nothing but that God changes weather, not man.