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Video Shows Prototypes of the Border Wall

Revmitchell

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I work for an engineering firm. I spend all day with engineers. I have family members who are engineers. I am quite aware of innovation that can occur in engineering.

I can't help but notice that you (like everyone else) refuse to discuss where the wall should be placed when actually confronted with the reality of a map. Those of us in Texas have to deal with realities.

No, all of America has to deal with the realities of illegal immigration. Sorry to debunk your delusion but it is not just Texas.
 

Lewis

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I work for an engineering firm. I spend all day with engineers. I have family members who are engineers. I am quite aware of innovation that can occur in engineering.
That's good. My father and his father were engineers and good at their job(s).

I can't help but notice that you (like everyone else) refuse to discuss where the wall should be placed when actually confronted with the reality of a map. Those of us in Texas have to deal with realities.
Well I cannot comment on many of the specifics. It would be like trying to paint your house from 800 miles away. But as Rev points out, illegal immigration is a problem for the whole country.
 

Revmitchell

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I find it humorous to hear some people talking about the influx of Mexicans and people from Central and South America as if it is a relatively recent phenomenon.

Who are these people and please give us a link to their posts. Further how do you propose to stop illegal immigration if you do not want a fence/
 

Baptist Believer

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So what happens folks is people decide they don't like something, so they make posts like this because they cannot very well on their own defend their position.
So - when asked a question about history - simply pointing out the historical reality that slaves were used to harvest crops years ago is somehow a sign that a position is indefensible? That's ridiculous!

The slave thing is long gone get over it.
And that was the point. You really need to start using reading comprehension skills and your noggin before you start condemning others.
 

Baptist Believer

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No, all of America has to deal with the realities of illegal immigration. Sorry to debunk your delusion but it is not just Texas.
No kidding. But people here in Texas usually are more familiar with the issues regarding the Texas border because of proximity. That should be a no brainer, but some folks here need help thinking about the issue.
 

Baptist Believer

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Well I cannot comment on many of the specifics. It would be like trying to paint your house from 800 miles away.
I appreciate your recognition of this. In light of your statement here, you need to take into consideration that other people might know more than you do about whether the proposed wall would be practical, effective or efficient. I am certainly not an expert, but I have spent much time over the years at various parts of the border and at several border towns to know that what the President has described won't be practical, effective or efficient. Moreover, it will deprive many people of access to property and ability to access bodies of water in a reasonable way.

But as Rev points out, illegal immigration is a problem for the whole country.
And the point I was making (that he twisted) what that people in Texas have to deal with the realities of a wall and legal/illegal immigration in a way that is realistic, not just campaign promises or talking points.
 

Baptist Believer

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Who are these people and please give us a link to their posts.
Believe it or not, I actually know and communicate with people outside of this forum. Not everything I say is about people here. It's not all about you.

Further how do you propose to stop illegal immigration if you do not want a fence/
There are a variety of ways to minimize illegal immigration, and we could talk about them, but I don't think that's really what you want to do. You seem to think that a wall will "stop illegal immigration" and that is the primary solution to the problem.

You realize that illegal immigration won't be stopped with a fence/wall/force field, right? We have persons of foreign citizenship coming and going through our country legally ever day and there is a certain percentage that overstay their visas and become illegal. That's a large part of the problem with there. People also come in on the coasts of the Gulf of Mexico, the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans in small boats onto the surf. Lots of drugs come into the country in that way. Expect to see more of that if we somehow manage to create an impenetrable wall that people cannot go over, under or through.
 

InTheLight

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No kidding. But people here in Texas usually are more familiar with the issues regarding the Texas border because of proximity. That should be a no brainer, but some folks here need help thinking about the issue.

Poll: More than 6 in 10 Texans oppose border wall
Sixty-one percent of adult citizens living in Texas oppose President Trump’s proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a poll the nonprofit, nonpartisan Texas Lyceum released Tuesday.

Thirty-five percent of Texas citizens in the survey favor constructing Trump's long-promised barrier, which he says will reduce illegal immigration into the U.S.

Poll: More than 6 in 10 Texans oppose border wall
 

Lewis

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I appreciate your recognition of this. In light of your statement here, you need to take into consideration that other people might know more than you do about whether the proposed wall would be practical, effective or efficient. I am certainly not an expert, but I have spent much time over the years at various parts of the border and at several border towns to know that what the President has described won't be practical, effective or efficient. Moreover, it will deprive many people of access to property and ability to access bodies of water in a reasonable way.


And the point I was making (that he twisted) what that people in Texas have to deal with the realities of a wall and legal/illegal immigration in a way that is realistic, not just campaign promises or talking points.
Well it doesn't have to be as complicated as all that.
Gates. They are practical. I have worked in facilities where outside doors and gates had cameras installed. Guards could communicate with you if need be, and you had to use a key card to pass through. It would be easy enough for border patrol officers or property owners to be issued keycards. Honestly if the will was there it would be a very achievable project.
 

Lewis

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Poll: More than 6 in 10 Texans oppose border wall
Sixty-one percent of adult citizens living in Texas oppose President Trump’s proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a poll the nonprofit, nonpartisan Texas Lyceum released Tuesday.

Thirty-five percent of Texas citizens in the survey favor constructing Trump's long-promised barrier, which he says will reduce illegal immigration into the U.S.

Poll: More than 6 in 10 Texans oppose border wall
Unfortunately for those opposed, it is an international border. Federal law takes precedence in that case.
 

Baptist Believer

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Guards could communicate with you if need be, and you had to use a key card to pass through. It would be easy enough for border patrol officers or property owners to be issued keycards. Honestly if the will was there it would be a very achievable project.
We'll need training classes for cattle and wildlife - perhaps lanyards that they can wear around their necks when they decide to approach the floodlights of the gated crossings.
 

777

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why not a virtual fence in some places, I think you should tailor it to the terrain and it looks like they will:

US plans to construct up to 8 border wall prototypes this summer

That polling outfit is pretty bad - final polling had Abbott up by nine, he won by over twenty. I think it also could be a case of NIMBY but if I lived near the border, I wouldn't some eyesore there, make it at least aesthetically pleasing.
 

Lewis

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That polling outfit is pretty bad - final polling had Abbott up by nine, he won by over twenty. I think it also could be a case of NIMBY but if I lived near the border, I wouldn't some eyesore there, make it at least aesthetically pleasing.
Also it is probably the case that San Francisco residents for example are in favor of sanctuary cities, but should they have the final say on that matter.
 

Lewis

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So every time a deer or steer (or a herd of them) crosses the virtual fence, the Border Patrol scrambles?
If you watch video of Border Patrol agents working along unfenced areas on the Rio Grande, the first thing you notice is that they do not make any move to intervene until border crossers have reached the north shore. Even if they are zooming back and forth, up and down river in speed boats, the Border Patrol doesn't make a move till the illegals set set foot on US soil on the northern side.
It is safe to assume any fence-building, wall-building, or gate-building would be based on that.
 

Baptist Believer

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Really? Is that all you got? You open borders guys really ought to read your own words.
Ah, there's a new distortion. Anyone who thinks a wall/fence is not feasible is an "open borders guy." Nice.

Should I refer to you as an "imprison America guy?" That's just about as honest.
 

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Poll: More than 6 in 10 Texans oppose border wall
Sixty-one percent of adult citizens living in Texas oppose President Trump’s proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, according to a poll the nonprofit, nonpartisan Texas Lyceum released Tuesday.

Thirty-five percent of Texas citizens in the survey favor constructing Trump's long-promised barrier, which he says will reduce illegal immigration into the U.S.

Poll: More than 6 in 10 Texans oppose border wall
Based on a "study"by "Texas Lyceum" and if yer gonna use them you really have no business criticizing anyone using Breitbart. Texas Lyceum as a group is a group committed to electing democrats and turning Texas blue.
 
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