View on Antidpressants

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Amen, Brother Mike Mck -- Preach it! :thumbs:

Thank you for your personal testimony.

 

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Amen, Siter donnA -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Thank you for your personal testimony.

 

Lisa Bazler was a licensed Psychologist until the Lord saved her and revealed to her that her sending people to psychiatrists that push pills to cover that which is spiritual, not physical was wrong.

Get her book and read how psychiatrists are giving Zoloft, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Prozac, et. al. to people not knowing how they will react to them.

Read the many accounts of suicides because of these anti-depressants.

These drugs do one thing, they cover sin with chemicals. Causing man to not depend on God for the answer anymore.

 

SFIC, you made me think of these verses referring to the 'friends' of Job in Job 12:1-3

And Job answered and said, No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you. But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you:...

Have you prayed for this sister? Instead of sitting up on your high horse and looking down those glasses you cannot see through at her, you might try that.

I am no fan of modern medicine or pill-popping, but your attitude STINKS! :tear:

 

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Amen, 4His_glory -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Thank you for your personal testimony.

 

My attitude comes from relying on the Lord, not on pills.

 

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Amen, 2BHizown -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Thank you for your personal testimony.

 

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Amen, Sister menageriekeeper -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Thank you for your personal testimony.

Yes, the presonal testimonies of my friends on Baptst Board (BB)
is so much surer and refreshing than the babble of PROFESSIONAL doubters.

 

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Amen, Sister shannonL -- You are so RIGHT ON! :thumbs:

Thank you for your personal testimony.

Yes, the personal testimonies of my frieds on Baptist Board (BB)
are so much kinder and more refreshing than quotations of PROFESSIONAL doubters.

 

I'm not a doctor, but I am a Christian, and I believe God is able to give to His children understanding that is beyond the most learned men.

In my studies on mental illness I have found that God has designed our brains (and bodies) to work on chemical responses. When the natural chemicals are not doing their jobs - for whatever reason - we are privileged to live in an age where we can take a pill. Praise the LORD!

Studies have shown that the brain releases "good-feeling" chemicals called endorphins when good things happen. Sometimes the brain is not working properly and the receptors don't pick up the chemicals, which causes feelings of depression rather than happiness. Personally, I do believe that there are spiritual ways to rejuvenate those receptors so that the brain begins to work properly again. However, for a short-term fix, anti-depressants are sometimes needed.

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I am starting to get depressed and from all the posts on here Shell is in trouble!!

 

I'm still praying for Shell ... :saint:

 

Hope everyone is?

 

Shell, I said a prayer for you just now that God would flood your soul with peace and give you wisdom to make the right choice.

May God give you a doctor that will have the answers to all your questions.

My personal veiw on anti-depressants are that they are sometimes needed on a short-term basis.

My personal testimony is that my mother had eleven children, and of the thirteen people in my immediate family, I am the only one who has never taken anti-depressants. I say that to the glory of GOD!

I know a little about mental illness. I have begged God to open my understanding on why He allows it, and what His veiws are on anti-depressants. I don't claim to know the mind of God. I can only tell you what He has taught me. My previous post reveals what I have come to understand about mental illness and anti-depressants.

May the LORD comfort and guide you as you seek His face in this decision.

Amen

 

Said uptopic: //Read the many accounts of suicides because of these anti-depressants.//

The US rate for suicides is: 10.7/100,000

source: http://www.concernedcounseling.com/Communities/depression/related/suicide_8.asp

There are 8,000,000 USA users of anti-depressants.

that 8 Million is 80 hundred thousands.
10.7 x 80 = 856.
I.E. you have to show 856 suicides by users of anti-depressants
to BREAK EVEN. You have to show this each and every year, not
just the total so far. To show anti-depressants cause suicide, you
have to show like 3 or 4,000 anti-depressant users per year
off-ing themselves.
I don't think any source will be showing that, especially
not among the professional NAY sayers

 

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(CNN) -- An internal document purportedly from Eli Lilly and Co. made public Monday appears to show that the drug maker had data more than 15 years ago showing that patients on its antidepressant Prozac were far more likely to attempt suicide and show hostility than were patients on other antidepressants and that the company attempted to minimize public awareness of the side effects.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/01/03/prozac.documents/

I believe Bill Maher hit the nail on the head when he said,

 

Anti-Depressants

There is a very small risk of suicide when first using Prozac, but it also indicates that Prozac is doing what it is supposed to do.

When a person is depressed to the point of suicide they often do not go through it simply because clinically depressed people would rather lay in bed all day than do anything, including having the energy to commit suicide.

When first taking ANY anti-depressant, the person starts gaining energy they did not have before. Until the anti-depression starts to get rid of the depression itself, the person can still be suicidal. Because of this reason the patients should be watched carefully specifically in the first week or two, especially if they are clinically-depressed and showing suicidal tendancies.

Once the anti-depressant kicks in fully, then the risk of suicide actually drops quite a bit, because that is what the anti-depressant is treating in the first place.

This is much like detoxing someone from illicit drugs or alcohol--the first week or so is the hardest and most dangerous (and potential of suicide).

I have worked in the medical industry, although I designed electronic equipment I knew lots of drug manufacturers and chemists. There is absolutely NO TRUTH to the fact that they make a drug and just find some ailment to use it on. Millions of dollars are spent by all of the drug companies to provide medications. It makes absolutely no sense from a business point of view to shoot in the dark and mix chemicals just to try to see what they do.

Chemists are VERY specific at what their drugs are designed to do. Take Pepcid for example. It is designed as an H2 blocker, when the chemists made it they knew it would block H2 so there was never any doubt of what it would be used for.

Now, let me also add that sometimes certain side-effects show things that were unexpected and often the drug can be used for other things, but this is the exception not the reason or method of design. (For instance, aspirin used to prevent blood clotting that cause heart attacks.)

 

Again...your opinion...and a very negatively stated opinion I might add.

 

Soulman,
How is your sister? How long has she had this problem? And has she tried several different meds? The first med is not necessarily the right med. I tried many before I found the one that I felt like a real person....my old self. Some will cause you to be dazed or to loose your personality. That's not the right med for that person. She, or someone for her, needs to be persistently seeking the right med for her. I will be praying for you and your sister.
:Fish:

 

I agree (this is in response to SFIC's statement that drugs cover sin.)

Obviously, we need to quit giving any drugs.

Let's start with pain management. Someone comes in with third degree burns and is obviously in pain because he/she sinned. We should let them suffer so they can get in touch with their sin.

Second, we might as well get rid of antibiotics because all sickness in the human race is a result of sin; so why cure it with any other method.

Wow, aren't there denominations that don't believe in medicine or doctors and have had children die many times over something as stupid as not giving them a blood-transfusion?

SFIC, for some strange reason, I keep getting the impression that your definition of Baptist and ours is different.

For example:
A)A Christian will not go to heaven with unconfessed sin.
B)Medications are bad, so we shouldn't use them.

Just curious here. These seem like odd beliefs.

I feel very sorry for you if you some day come down with true clinical-depression and you will not tke anti-depressants. I have a sneaking feeling; however, that if that time ever comes, you will welcome the relief they give you.

As a very conservative doctor that I know says (I mean conservative--he will seldom prescribe pain medications period): His statement is anti-depressants are one of the best drugs we have in family medicine (his specialty) they don't make a person "feel good"----they make them "feel normal". By the way, he's a Christian.