View on Antidpressants

[James_Newman]

The 4 signs of a scientific journal being...? I'm sure I can find you an article that meets even your strict standards of editorial oversight, Ed. That was just one of the first ones I ran across. The seratonin hypothesis is not a scientific fact, it has not been verified by any stretch of the imagination, but we must not lay a hand on the Sacred Cow of Chemical Imbalance.

 

[Ed Edwards]

I appologize, hit a nerve

I ask myself all the time why I have to take drugs when others do not
...

18 Million people in the USofA (6% of the Population)
have to take Malox (or equivalent) with every meal
THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. Are these people damned to
hell for what they do? No, in fact nobody is even worrying about
these who need some help digesting food instead of
their own stomach lining.

Ed, Another Christian on SSRIs.

 

[James_Newman]

Here's an excerpt from a Wikipedia article

Lay explanations, put forward by pharmaceutical companies, suggest that psychiatric drugs work by "correcting" the levels of these neurotransmitters. However, rather than restoring 'normal' levels, these drugs frequently attempt to compensate for changes in sensitivity to or production of neurotransmitters, with newer drugs acting in a relatively isolated part of the brain (although some drugs act on a larger scale).
Another perspective is that drugs, when they work, are providing a non-specific psychological effect that is useful, rather than correcting a chemical imbalance. For example, SSRIs, according to one author, provide a "well whatever" emotional reaction to experiences.

I know the "well whatever" reaction. I briefly was prescribed Welbutrin, to quit smoking of all things, and yeah, well whatever. I didn't have any strong feelings about anything.

 

[Mishelly]

I do not think my threads show a Well Whatever feel to them

I enjoy life, I am happy, I have bad days but never Well Whatever

Everyone is different, they may not be for you

I should say Well Whatever and go on about my life for the day

God Bless Everyone raying:

 

[Ed Edwards]

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/publicat/anxiety.cfm#anx1

Anxiety disorders are serious medical illnesses
that affect approximately 40 million American adults.

I can't see damning 12% of the USA to eternal hell fire
cause they take a selective serotonin reuptake
inhibitor (SSRI) antidepressant or two

-Ed, another Christian blessed by SSRIs

 

[James_Newman]

Who said anything about eternal hell fire? Hell only lasts a thousand years. I think simplemindedness is a serious medical disorder on a much larger scale than anxiety, but they haven't found a pill for that one yet. You can proclaim that antidepressants have blessed your life, but you will have a hard time explaining that blessing to those who have been cursed by them.

http://www.fda.gov/cder/drug/antidepressants/AntidepressanstPHA.htm

The FDA now admits that there is a higher suicide risk for those who take these 'happy' pills. Things are not all that they seem in happy land. The doctors who prescribe these pills don't even know how they work.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Doctors are ok for physical ailments... but drugs are not what is needed for depression, no matter what man says.



If one has their mind on the things of Christ, Christ will give them a peace in the darkest trials of life.

If doctors and drugs are not OK for depression why are they OK for "physical ailments?" Go off your blood pressure medication or medication to lower your chlorestrol. Diabetics should stop taking insulin.

What gives you the authority or the medical knowledge to make such a statement? Not the Bible.

 

[StraightAndNarrow]

Shell, a while back Alex Jones did an interview with Gwen Olsen and Robert Manciero. Gwen Olsen is a former pharmaceutical drug rep who has written a book called Confessions of an RX Drug Pusher. Robert Manciero is a film maker, his latest work is called Prescription:Suicide. I am trying to make it available on Google Video right now, I would recommend anyone who is thinking about going on antidepressants listen to this woman's testimony.

I'll bet these people are making a lot of money out of deceiving the public. Show me their scientific experiments to back up their wild accusations. Quite the opposite of what the film maker is saying, anti-depressants have prevented a lot of suicides.

 

[James_Newman]

How do you scientifically measure prevented suicides? Why do you suppose the author of the book has any other motive than to tell what happened to herself when she went on antidepressants, and how her niece was driven to light herself on fire as a result of being put on antidepressants after a car accident? Who is really making money, a small documentary film maker exposing the truth, or a multibillion dollar 'brain disease' industry? Do you know that even the prescribing information for Prozac lists psychosis as as possible side effect?

 

[James_Newman]

I found the video on Google, watch it and judge for yourself if these people are just trying to make a buck.

Click Here

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I have enough scripture to stay off of mind altering drugs prescribed by the doctors in the one verse I quoted above....

Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee.

Doctors wanted to give me Paxil when I was put in the wheelchair, they said I would get depressed. I refused the Paxil. They wanted to put me on Paxil again the last fainting spell I had, I again refused.

I forgot to mention surgery on the back of my neck and my chest at the same time to have tumors removed.

I forgot to mention getting hit by a car in 1993, receiving 2 broken ribs, a broken collarbone, and a concussion as a result of that accident.

I have been through much in my short 46 years here on this earth, but Christ has been with me through it all. I have been down from time to time, but not to the point of utter depression, because Christ always reminds me that 'in my weakness, He is made strong. Christ reminds me that 'many are the afflictions of the righteous, but the Lord delivereth him out of them all.' He reminds me that although I have physical infirmities, Christ said His 'grace is sufficient' to carry me through.

Pills for depression? I'd rather trust Christ.

 

[donnA]

I was sucidal until I started taking pills they do not make suicidal, have not had problems with it since, I have emotions, I am not in a haze.
At some point you have to get sick and tired of people saying those who trust Jesus do not take pills, when in fact they do not know what they are talking about other peoples health. If you have a medical license then you can diagnose and prescribe treatment, if you do not it is illegal to tell people what meds they need or don't need.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

By the authority of God's Word, I can say people do not need mind altering drugs.
The Bible says He will keep them in perfect peace. Perfect peace is not depression, it is not suicidal thoughts, it is not anxiety attacks.

Christ is the answer for that which is in the mind, not drugs.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I found the video on Google, watch it and judge for yourself if these people are just trying to make a buck.

Click Here

James,

Linda and I both listened to that 42 minute interview and it was very enlightening. People do not even realize the side effects drugs have on a person.

Just look at the tv commercials... drugs that take care of headaches may cause diarrhea, nausea, stomach cramping, etc.

Drugs for other symptoms have other side effects such as kidney infection, etc.

Amazing.

 

[Trotter]

By the authority of God's Word, I can say people do not need mind altering drugs.

Chapter and verse? I want to see where the bible says actually that. besides, antidepressants are not mind-altering, they are mood-altering.

he Bible says He will keep them in perfect peace. Perfect peace is not depression, it is not suicidal thoughts, it is not anxiety attacks.

True. But what about when a Christian in in depression? Or having suicidal thoughts? Or having anxiety attacks? Are they simply "not abiding"? Are they actually lost and on their way to hell? Or are they just not holding their mouth right?

The mantra of "Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on Thee, because he trusteth in Thee" is great, but it doesn't change the reality of what is goiong on with that person.

Christ is the answer for that which is in the mind, not drugs.

Again, is a person lost if they suffer from these things?

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Shell.

This is a forum, not a doctor's office. I am a preacher and a blue-collar worker, not a doctor. While I know you love and respect your pastor, he is not a doctor either. If he were going through what you're going through, he wouldn't take his own advice (if he did, he wouldn't be your pastor for very long...).

If you dislike your doctor, do as others have said and get a second opinion. You will probably get the same prognosis, however.

Depression is rampant in America, and there is no shame for those who are in its grip. I have been there, and have the battle-scars from it. The days of darkness and despair leave their impressions on the soul, and, once you emerge from under that dark cloud, those scars give you a new appreciation for everything in life.

Antidepressants are a tool that can be used to help you get back on your feet. While most depression will pass with time, the length of it is never known beforehand. While taking high spiritual road is easy to say, the reality of where you are lets you know that even God doesn't seem to care. He does, of course, but depression blinds you to even that.

My advice would be to try the meds for a couple of months. After the two months, ask your family if they can tell a difference in you. If they can't, tell your doc that you are coming off them, but DO NOT just stop taking them! I did and... well... let's just say that I never want to go through the time in my life again.

You are in my prayers.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Chapter and verse? I already posted it several times. Isaiah 26:3. Thou wilt keep him in perfect... Oh forget it.

A mood altering drug is a mind altering drug.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Taking drugs for depression is not putting faith in Christ. As I pointed out before, Christ never once prescribed drugs for depression. He never called depression a chemical imbalance. Depression comes from oppression. Drugs do not get rid of demonic oppression, only Christ can do that.

Submit yourselves therefore to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you.

I guess the modern Bibles change that and Isaiah 26:3 to

Ask God to send you to a psychiatrist and he will give you something to get rid of those voices that depress you.

and

You will make him happier if he takes antidepressants since he trusts that they are ok.

 

[Trotter]

Chapter and verse? I already posted it several times. Isaiah 26:3. Thou wilt keep him in perfect... Oh forget it.

Actually, that verse says diddly about the situation at hand. Paul's words about the "works of the flesh" contain a little that talk about drugs, but not medicine.

Perfect peace? The body can physically be in perfect peace, where as the mind may not, and vice versa.

Many claim that all one needs is more spirituality. While this may be true, I have been where she is. Spirituality is not an option when you can't even feel God's prescence.

Depression is like chocolate... if you've never had it, no one can accurately describe it to you, and you cannot understand it.

While it can be a spiritual problem, it usually isn't. I know pastors who have had depression, and no amount of effort on their part made a difference. A couple of them tried to go at it without help, and both ended up losing their churches because of it (one lost his ministry due to his actions, things he would have never done otherwise...).

 

[Trotter]

Taking drugs for depression is not putting faith in Christ. As I pointed out before, Christ never once prescribed drugs for depression. He never called depression a chemical imbalance. Depression comes from oppression. Drugs do not get rid of demonic oppression, only Christ can do that.

Submit yourselves therefore to God, resist the devil and he will flee from you.

I ain't gonna argue with a fence post, my brother. You have your opinion, I have mine. I pray you never have to walk through the valley I have walked.

 

[Shell]

Shell.

This is a forum, not a doctor's office. I am a preacher and a blue-collar worker, not a doctor. While I know you love and respect your pastor, he is not a doctor either. If he were going through what you're going through, he wouldn't take his own advice (if he did, he wouldn't be your pastor for very long...).

If you dislike your doctor, do as others have said and get a second opinion. You will probably get the same prognosis, however.

Depression is rampant in America, and there is no shame for those who are in its grip. I have been there, and have the battle-scars from it. The days of darkness and despair leave their impressions on the soul, and, once you emerge from under that dark cloud, those scars give you a new appreciation for everything in life.

Antidepressants are a tool that can be used to help you get back on your feet. While most depression will pass with time, the length of it is never known beforehand. While taking high spiritual road is easy to say, the reality of where you are lets you know that even God doesn't seem to care. He does, of course, but depression blinds you to even that.

My advice would be to try the meds for a couple of months. After the two months, ask your family if they can tell a difference in you. If they can't, tell your doc that you are coming off them, but DO NOT just stop taking them! I did and... well... let's just say that I never want to go through the time in my life again.

You are in my prayers.

I know this is a forum and not a doctor's office- I want some opinions. I feel that it has caused more problems than what it is worth. I am going to pray about this and hope GOD provides an answer soon.