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VMI removes statue

Van

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Apparently the monument was placed about 1912, the work of a former Confederate and friend of General Lee. A Confederate battle flag apparently flew over his residence in Rome for 40 years. Here is part of a write-up:
Ezekiel's sculptures of Confederate heroes are the most visible manifestation of, and a significant factor in the legitimacy of, the Lost Cause of the Confederacy, in which he was a "true believer". It is a "romanticized vision of the South and the Confederacy in which soldiers fought honorably for states' rights and free trade rather than treasonously for the cause of slavery.
 

Wingman68

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Maybe VMI should be removed next.
Many of our family vacations were centered on visiting many civil war sites. We visited VMI during one trip, & were impressed with the campus demeanor of the cadets. Stract & respectful. My son was small at the time, but I would like to think that the respect for our history, & traditions helped guide him to his graduation from West Point. Even the academies are being adversely affected by political correctness today. It sickens me. We are under assault from within.
 

Salty

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So many people complained about the South having slaves and that the CSA was formed to continue slavery.
Yet, it was the North who brought slaves to the North America.
Had the South not succeeded - when would have slavery ended.

Could it be that the Constitutional Amendments were hasten because of the War of Southern Independence?
 

Van

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So many people complained about the South having slaves and that the CSA was formed to continue slavery.
Yet, it was the North who brought slaves to the North America.
Had the South not succeeded - when would have slavery ended.

Could it be that the Constitutional Amendments were hasten because of the War of Southern Independence?

Sadly, rather than a peaceful process to end slavery, the South succeeded, bringing on the deaths of more than 600,000 Americans.

When I was a little boy (1940"s) my mom would take me down town and we would ride the "red car" a train car on tracks that provided transportation. When I got on, I was surprised to see all these black people grouped at the back of the car. No California law required this, but they had come from places that required segregation.

Once something bad gets embedded in culture, it takes people making a public stand to curb it. MLK used to lead a song that asked "how long" and I think the answer is now.
 

Salty

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Sadly, rather than a peaceful process to end slavery, the South succeeded, bringing on the deaths of more than 600,000 Americans. ...

Or the North could have simply allowed the CSA to succeed - and have avoided those 1/2 million deaths!
And remember -the War of Independence was much more than slavery. Lincon said he was willing to keep slavery to end the War.
 

Van

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Or the North could have simply allowed the CSA to succeed - and have avoided those 1/2 million deaths!
And remember -the War of Independence was much more than slavery. Lincoln said he was willing to keep slavery to end the War.

We are not going to fight the war again. Those that perpetuate the myth that slavery was not a horrific mistreatment of human beings, and needed to end in the name of God, are mistaken.
 

just-want-peace

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Or the North could have simply allowed the CSA to succeed - and have avoided those 1/2 million deaths!
And remember -the War of Independence was much more than slavery. Lincon said he was willing to keep slavery to end the War.[/QUOTE]

I am always astounded at the non-southerners who so conveniently overlook this facet of ole Abe!
But then they can't blame "slavery" if they acknowledge this fact!:Rolleyes:Rolleyes
 
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Wingman68

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Sadly, rather than a peaceful process to end slavery, the South succeeded, bringing on the deaths of more than 600,000 Americans.

When I was a little boy (1940"s) my mom would take me down town and we would ride the "red car" a train car on tracks that provided transportation. When I got on, I was surprised to see all these black people grouped at the back of the car. No California law required this, but they had come from places that required segregation.

Once something bad gets embedded in culture, it takes people making a public stand to curb it. MLK used to lead a song that asked "how long" and I think the answer is now.

How about this? In 1964 when our family moved to Dover, Del., which was a border state, but had supported the north in the civil war, no confederate regiments were formed in Delaware, in 1964......... blacks were only allowed to sit in the balcony at the movie theater. This being the capital of the state, not some little southern town, so that’s what the north hung on to? I have relation in Georgia & spend time there, & folks are much friendlier & more respectful there to every color than here in Michigan. Destroying history is what this thread is about, & that comes solely from the left.
 

Salty

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We are not going to fight the war again. Those that perpetuate the myth that slavery was not a horrific mistreatment of human beings, and needed to end in the name of God, are mistaken.

Where did I say that slavery was not wrong ?
 

Salty

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How about this? ... in 1964......... blacks were only allowed to sit in the balcony at the movie theater. ...

Its been said that the difference between the North and South is that the South admitted they were racists.
 

Van

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Where did I say that slavery was not wrong ?
Two can play this game, where did I say you said slavery was not wrong. I can draw an interference that you implied a view. I can deny my inference and you can deny your implication. Those that perpetuate the myth that slavery was not a horrific mistreatment of human beings, and needed to end in the name of God, are mistaken.

No one has denied this statement of truth.
 

Van

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How about this? In 1964 when our family moved to Dover, Del., which was a border state, but had supported the north in the civil war, no confederate regiments were formed in Delaware, in 1964......... blacks were only allowed to sit in the balcony at the movie theater. This being the capital of the state, not some little southern town, so that’s what the north hung on to? I have relation in Georgia & spend time there, & folks are much friendlier & more respectful there to every color than here in Michigan. Destroying history is what this thread is about, & that comes solely from the left.
Not sure the monuments to the defenders of Slavery being removed is destroying history. Why honor those who advocated violation of human rights. Now Col. Robert Shaw did not go to VMI, but bravely fought for human rights during our civil war. Perhaps we could replace the monument with one of Col. Shaw.
 

Wingman68

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Stonewall taught at VMI before the war. He was a man of great character, & certainly worthy of having the statue remain on campus, however Northam was leaning on them (VMI) threatening investigations of ‘systematic racism’. This from their ‘blackface’ governor. The left........again.
 

Van

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Stonewall taught at VMI before the war. He was a man of great character, & certainly worthy of having the statue remain on campus, however Northam was leaning on them (VMI) threatening investigations of ‘systematic racism’. This from their ‘blackface’ governor. The left........again.
Why should we honor a defender of slavery? What message are you conveying to all of Black America when you say he was a man of "great character." What message is there in states that had laws against teaching black children to read? It is time to turn the page.... Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord....
 

Use of Time

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I’m just going to say this and leave it. I’m a proud alumni of VMI and to me it is the hardest and most intense college experience there is in the country. There are countless alumni worthy of taking the statues place in order to move forward. George C. Marshall for example would be my choice.

Cadets were required to salute the Jackson statue when I was a freshman. I don’t think that was wise considering that if you were a black cadet from the North, you shouldn’t have to salute someone you would potentially root against. It’s time.

VMI will be fine and continue to produce leaders in the military and the private sector.

Rah Virginia Mil.
 

Guvnuh

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I’m just going to say this and leave it. I’m a proud alumni of VMI and to me it is the hardest and most intense college experience there is in the country. There are countless alumni worthy of taking the statues place in order to move forward. George C. Marshall for example would be my choice.

Cadets were required to salute the Jackson statue when I was a freshman. I don’t think that was wise considering that if you were a black cadet from the North, you shouldn’t have to salute someone you would potentially root against. It’s time.

VMI will be fine and continue to produce leaders in the military and the private sector.

Rah Virginia Mil.



So you’re saying they shouldn’t salute anyone Because they may root against them in the future.
Future aside they may already dislike their superior so to heck with saluting them.

General Marshall? A student of Czech, polish or “East” German descent may feel Marshall Helped seal their family’s fate behind the iron curtain.

Keep the statue and the salute.
 

Use of Time

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So you’re saying they shouldn’t salute anyone Because they may root against them in the future.
Future aside they may already dislike their superior so to heck with saluting them.

General Marshall? A student of Czech, polish or “East” German descent may feel Marshall Helped seal their family’s fate behind the iron curtain.

Keep the statue and the salute.

The salute was done away with two years ago and now the statue has as well. VMI will be just fine without them. I think you know my point was that black cadets shouldn’t have to salute someone that actively fought to maintain the status quo of slavery. There is over 100 years of alumni better suited to be standards for cadets to look up to.
 
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