Volume of drums in church

Say part is that there is more scripture to support the use of Drums during the worship than there is to not. In fact, I don't know of any tell us not to use instruments that God has ordained as to be used in His Worship.

Personally, I fell that those who don't use drums when there is the talent to play them are in willful disobedience to God. They need to get right with God.

 

Now moderators are mud slinging? I might be called many things, but racist is not one of them. I know all of the people involved, and it is a fact that they are uncomfortable with the "new people" coming to our church, and looked for any reason to justify that opinion. Seeing 50 in my rearview mirror, I know what I'm talking about. So don't be so quick to judge.
Good grief, all I asked for were some simple, practical suggestions with a specific musical problem. Enough already. Especially from a moderator.

It's interesting that when I posted this simple question, it started all of this response, some good, some ugly. But when I posted a request for prayer concerning a 110 year old mission and rehab program when it was burned down by arson two weeks ago, the were only two responses. Now I know where the priorities are here. </font>[/QUOTE]So now I get the old mantra thrown at me: "You're judging! You're judging! You're judging!" The fact is Jesus commmanded us to judge:
"Judge righteous judgment."
"By their fruits ye shall know them."
Paul said: "He that is spiritual judgeth all things."

So what has judging got anything to do with it? You make judgements every day. In fact you make judgements about the kind of music you listen to every day, don't you? Do you listen to classical or rock, or punk? You have to make a judgement, don't you?

Have you ever watched Bill Gaither's "Gospel Hour," which contains music some of which is CCM, most of it is southern gospel, and some of it is traditional. But look at the audience. You see little white-haired old ladies (and men for that fact), middle-aged folk, some young people, etc. You can see people there of all ages. There is no need of stereotyping older people to just one type of music--traditional music. That is what you have done. Stereo typing is wrong. And if you apply the same principles that you did in your post to people of various ethnic backgrounds you would be called a racist. That is my point. My point is not that you are a racist, but that your stereotyping of people is wrong.
DHK

 

No I am not. I saw the title of the thread, but didn't take the time to read through the entirety of it. I didn't realize that you were speaking only of the people of your church, a very specific church situation.

OTOH, I might agree with many of your church members. Go back into history, right into the history of the New Testament Church. You won't find any evidence of any instrumental music whatsoever in the early churches. In fact instrumental music wasn't introduced into the church until about 250 years after Pentecost at the very earliest. It was around the same time that people started meeting in buildings built specifically for "churches" or assemblies as the word ekklesia (church) is properly translatied. Before that time they met first in the synagogues, then in homes, in the tombs, open fields, barns, wherever they could. There were no church buildings in the first three centuries, and no instruments.
Move through history past the reformation, up to the time of Spurgeon. Many of the great preachers of that time frowned upon musical instruments--even the organ. Spurgeon said that he wouldn't have an organ in his church because it would distract the congregation from their attention from the true worship of God.
There is no precedent in the New Testament for instrumental worship.

Having said that, I am not against all instruments. But I don't believe that drums can be used to the glory of God in worship service. God doesn't need our entertainment. He desires our adoration, our prasie. With the drum and many such intsruments I believe musicians are there just to entertain.
This is where I find fault with the Bill Gaither "Gospel Hour." It doesn't matter what kind of music they play, the audience claps for the performer almost every time. They are not clapping for God. God doesn't need clapping. He doesn't need a cheering section. Neither do the performers need their egos boosted. We have enough problems with pride as it is. On the Gaither show there is too much praise for man, and too little praise for God.
With the entrance of drums and other such instruments the same thing happens. It is entertainment for the congregation; not the worship of God.
DHK

 

Hmmmm a lot of the OT is quoted in the NT, particularly Psalms, then I guess we are to ignore those things.

If you want some NT precedent, how about this?

Hmmm....psalms????? Let's look at one.

The timbrel, a loud cymbal... everything???

Instruments are not inherently good or bad, it is how we use them that determines whether or not they are glorifying to the Lord. I know musicians that are doing what they do for the Lord and people in the congregation respond like it is entertainment. That is not the fault of the musician or the instrment, but the worhsiper.
I know a worship leader at a great big church who people have accused of being showy, etc, but once you get to know the guy personally you find that he is one of the most humble men you will meet and he is definitely not doing it for show.

With that said, there are certain music styles I don't think are conducive to worship, and their are musicians that do it for the praise of men, and not for the glory of God. I think it is because of this that we have all this confusion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the pipe organ was controversial when it was first introduced, and now it is almost synoymous with church music.

A interesting perspective is found here:

http://www.learnthebible.org/music_in_the_new_testament_church.htm

 

What a broad generalization.
Is there any command from the O.T. to use instruments in the N.T. I think you know the answer to that, so why bring the red herring of the O.T. into this discussion at all?
Didn't you even read your own link? You contradict the information that your link provides.
DHK

 

amazing...even the moderator engages in debate, and doesn't honor the OP's request...

Debby, I hope you got some good suggestions that will help your church and its worship down the road. God bless.

 

Debby,

Since this thread has been "taken", I'm bowing out... don't care to hear the SAME arguments again. But keep me posted on your situation via private message, and if there's anything else I can do besides pray, just let me know.

In His Grip,
joshua