Voter fraud

[billwald]

As long as both major parties are owned by the same international corporations and the system is rigged against minority parties . . . voting fraud is immaterial except at the municipal/county level. All the garbage about illegal voting is part of the grand scam.

 

[carpro]

Try BOTH Article I section II, and the fifteenth amendment.... "The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."

Key word...citizens.

 

[Salty]

Key word...citizens.

and children are citizens!

 

[carpro]

and children are citizens!

Anchor babies born here?

True...unfortunately.

 

[Salty]

Good question. Why would someone need a government "social security card" to get a job? Why do I have to show an FAA license to an aircraft rental agency to rent a plane?

The idea that buying alcohol or tobacco or borrowing a library book are activities that a person must show he or she has met the identification requirements to engage in, while voting for government officials is not, is an incredible contradiction of logic civically, socially, and ethically.

Those things are not fundamental rights. You don't have a "right" to a library card (the government, in fact, has no business stealing tax payer money to fund libraries in the first place). You DO have a right to vote.

Heavens Dad
You are forgetting one very important issue here - the Tenth Amendment. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution , nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the the people"

Another words, I might agree with you if the Federal Govt were to fund libraries - but the State or Commonwealth and local governments have Evey right, if so desired by the people, to fund local libraries or any other activity per the 10th amendments.
Therefore local govts are NOT STEALING tax payer money.

UNLESS "the people" voting for it are casting fraudulent votes

 

[InTheLight]

I guess I'll ask again--where is the evidence that widespread voter fraud is occurring at the polling places?

[Note: I'm not asking about absentee balloting because a photo ID would have no effect on that method of voting.]

 

[poncho]

Voter fraud is small potatoes compared to vote fraud.

 

[Havensdad]

Heavens Dad
You are forgetting one very important issue here - the Tenth Amendment. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution , nor prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the the people"

Another words, I might agree with you if the Federal Govt were to fund libraries - but the State or Commonwealth and local governments have Evey right, if so desired by the people, to fund local libraries or any other activity per the 10th amendments.
Therefore local govts are NOT STEALING tax payer money.

UNLESS "the people" voting for it are casting fraudulent votes

So, you think the majority has the right, by majority vote, to steal the money of the minority?

You should read a book called "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat. Government activity which extends outside of the purview of protecting the people and their rights, is tyranny, theft, and will ultimately spread into other areas.

If a local community wants to have a library, they should get together VOLUNTARY donors to have their library, not try to get 51 percent of a vote, to steal the money from the 49 percent who don't want to give their money.

 

[poncho]

As long as both major parties are owned by the same international corporations and the system is rigged against minority parties . . . voting fraud is immaterial except at the municipal/county level. All the garbage about illegal voting is part of the grand scam.

Exactly! It's more of a distraction than anything else. Judging from the replies here and the length of those replies people do love a good distraction.

The more important issue of vote fraud is very rarely if ever discussed here on BB even though the subject has been brought up at "election" time since I first joined.

Reckon that proves once again that most people only think in the terms the international corporations through their control of the mass media spoon feed them.

Try thinking outside the idiot box for a change folks! :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Salty]

So, you think the majority has the right, by majority vote, to steal the money of the minority?

I agree they should not steal - but when the majority agrees - it is NOT stealing.[/QUOTE]

If a local community wants to have a library, they should get together VOLUNTARY donors to have their library, not try to get 51 percent of a vote, to steal the money from the 49 percent who don't want to give their money.

So what you are saying is that if 51 % of a community does not want to pay for a fire dept - then it should not be required to have said dept, same with snow plows or any other necessary govt action.

You should read a book called "The Law" by Frederic Bastiat. Government activity which extends outside of the purview of protecting the people and their rights, is tyranny, theft, and will ultimately spread into other areas. .

So what you are saying is that a book written by one man usurps the Constitution of the United States and the individual States or Commonwealths.

 

[Havensdad]

So, you think the majority has the right, by majority vote, to steal the money of the minority?I agree they should not steal - but when the majority agrees - it is NOT stealing.

So, if you and me get together and vote to rob a guy going down an alley, its O.K., since we have more votes than him?!

HORRIBLE logic...and the reason why our founders expressly rejected a pure democracy.

So what you are saying is that if 51 % of a community does not want to pay for a fire dept - then it should not be required to have said dept, same with snow plows or any other necessary govt action.

So what you are saying is that a book written by one man usurps the Constitution of the United States and the individual States or Commonwealths.

Not at all. The Constitution knows NOTHING of a democratic government ruled by the majority. The Constitution was meant to RESTRAIN government...the REPUBLIC government, which is supposed to be served by elected representatives, NOT by mob rule.

FYI: Bastiat is in line with the writings of the founders, and actually points to the U.S. (the U.S. of the 1800s) as an expression of his ideas...however, I was encouraging you to read the book, because Bastiat tears apart the argument of common good and mob rule that you just presented...i.e. the tyranny of allowing the 51 percent to rule over and enslave the 49 percent.

 

[Havensdad]

“Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim—when he defends himself—as a criminal.” — Frédéric Bastiat

 

[poncho]

Most folks here abouts have been thinking in terms of the collective for so long the idea of individualism doesn't compute with em anymore if it ever did.