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FollowTheWay

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From the beginning of Trump's political involvement on the national scene, he has had no support from any political power base. He was/is a standalone politician. Therefore, at the slightest shadow of illegal actions on his part, all political powers would either pursue him or standby and watch, not wanting to be caught-up in the mayhem. He has proven himself unable to "keep the worms in the bucket" in his failed administration.

That being said, given the same choices as in the last presidential election, I could not vote for the other liar.
What did Hillary lie about?" Compare that to Trump's never-ending stream of lies.
 

Wesley Briggman

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What did Hillary lie about?

Hillary Clinton's Lie List Grows Longer | National Review
"Clinton even dismisses a report by “a newspaper” that she “was having séances in the White House to commune directly with Eleanor [Roosevelt]’s spirit.” She states flatly, “I wasn’t.” But pretty much every newspaper reported this, and the reason they all did so was because it came from the single most revered political reporter alive — Bob Woodward, in his book The Choice. And who did Woodward get it from? The New Age psychologist who conducted the sessions with Hillary. The only way the “séance” story is false is if you insist on a semantic distinction between “having conversations with dead people” and “séances,” or maybe a distinction between “having” séances and simply “participating” in them. It’s not an important matter, but it’s a well-known one, for anyone who remembers the 1990s anyway. Lying is an involuntary reflex for the Clintons, like sneezing."

Search the web. You will find a long list of sources.
 

Adonia

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What kind of government do you want. I once had a German working with me who said that America need a benevalent dictatorship. Right after that his hero, Spiro Agnew, left in disgrace due to crimes he had committed. I put a black wreath around his picture of Agnew at work! Do you want a dictatorship?

No. I want politicians to stop lying and to govern according to the Constitution of the United States. The Federal government has only about 18 enumerated powers where they are authorized to do certain things, everything else is to be left to the individual states. That is the core of our problem, a Federal government that has exceeded it's authority and gotten way too big and controlling in the process.
 

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What did Hillary lie about?" Compare that to Trump's never-ending stream of lies.

"We arrived under sniper fire" - Hillary Clinton's words about her arrival in Bosnia despite video showing her receiving flowers from two little girls on the tarmac.

The whole Benghazi narrative was a lie from Hillary and the rest of the Obama administration, the biggest one being that the video was the main reason it happened.

She couldn't find the Rose law firm records for years until they suddenly showed up in a White House storage room.

She claims she still does not know who hired Craig Livingstone, the White House aide who was involved in the WH travel office fiasco.

Those are four just off the top of my head, I am sure I could scour the internet and find more.
 

Adonia

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if the Russians help out again maybe so.

Stop ignoring Hillary's dealings with the Russians. Her husband Billy Bob got an enormous speaking fee from them and the Clinton Global Initiative got millions in donations from Russian businesses once she signed off on allowing them to buy up almost half of North American uranium deposits. It's funny how once she lost the White House they had to fold their "charity" due to donations suddenly drying up.
 

FollowTheWay

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I would be hard-pressed to find anything of political importance that Hillary didn’t lie about in some significant way, and the same goes for Biden. Quintessential politicians, devoid of true statesmanship.
Specific examples. I can give you a large number of specifics for Trump. You first.
 

FollowTheWay

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Stop ignoring Hillary's dealings with the Russians. Her husband Billy Bob got an enormous speaking fee from them and the Clinton Global Initiative got millions in donations from Russian businesses once she signed off on allowing them to buy up almost half of North American uranium deposits. It's funny how once she lost the White House they had to fold their "charity" due to donations suddenly drying up.
Uranium On e was not a big deal. That's been demonstrated.
 

Adonia

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Uranium On e was not a big deal. That's been demonstrated.

Not a big deal? Good grief, that deal gave Russian companies (and therefore the Russian government) control over a significant part of the North American uranium deposits. Your claim that this is "no big deal" has not be demonstrated, in fact on the face of it this is a bad deal for us because it gives our enemies MORE access to the means to produce nuclear weapons.
 

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Hillary Clinton's Lie List Grows Longer | National Review
"Clinton even dismisses a report by “a newspaper” that she “was having séances in the White House to commune directly with Eleanor [Roosevelt]’s spirit.” She states flatly, “I wasn’t.” But pretty much every newspaper reported this, and the reason they all did so was because it came from the single most revered political reporter alive — Bob Woodward, in his book The Choice. And who did Woodward get it from? The New Age psychologist who conducted the sessions with Hillary. The only way the “séance” story is false is if you insist on a semantic distinction between “having conversations with dead people” and “séances,” or maybe a distinction between “having” séances and simply “participating” in them. It’s not an important matter, but it’s a well-known one, for anyone who remembers the 1990s anyway. Lying is an involuntary reflex for the Clintons, like sneezing."

Search the web. You will find a long list of sources.
A seance?
"We arrived under sniper fire" - Hillary Clinton's words about her arrival in Bosnia despite video showing her receiving flowers from two little girls on the tarmac.

The whole Benghazi narrative was a lie from Hillary and the rest of the Obama administration, the biggest one being that the video was the main reason it happened.

She couldn't find the Rose law firm records for years until they suddenly showed up in a White House storage room.

She claims she still does not know who hired Craig Livingstone, the White House aide who was involved in the WH travel office fiasco.

Those are four just off the top of my head, I am sure I could scour the internet and find more.
President Trump has made more than 5,000 false or misleading claims
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-claims/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.524333729f92

On Sept. 7, President Trump woke up in Billings, Mont., flew to Fargo, N.D., visited Sioux Falls, S.D., and eventually returned to Washington. He spoke to reporters on Air Force One, held a pair of fundraisers and was interviewed by three local reporters.

In that single day, he publicly made 125 false or misleading statements — in a period of time that totaled only about 120 minutes. It was a new single-day high.

The day before, the president made 74 false or misleading claims, many at a campaign rally in Montana. An anonymous op-ed article by a senior administration official had just been published in the New York Times, and news circulated about journalist Bob Woodward’s insider account of Trump’s presidency.

Trump’s tsunami of untruths helped push the count in The Fact Checker’s database past 5,000 on the 601st day of his presidency. That’s an average of 8.3 Trumpian claims a day, but in the past nine days — since our last update — the president has averaged 32 claims a day.

When we first started this project for the president’s first 100 days, he averaged 4.9 claims a day. He passed the 2,000 mark on Jan. 10 — eight months ago.

Fittingly, the 5,000th claim was a tweet about the investigation led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III: “Russian ‘collusion’ was just an excuse by the Democrats for having lost the Election!”

On nearly 140 occasions, the president has falsely claimed that the Russia investigation was made up or a hoax. But the information on Russian efforts to sway the 2016 election was developed by the intelligence community and published in a declassified report, in which the agencies said they had “high confidence” it was correct.

One of his campaign aides has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts overseas, including one connection who disclosed that the Russians had Democratic Party emails. The president’s son, son-in-law and campaign chairman met at Trump Tower in June 2016 with someone they thought was a representative of the Russian government and who had promised “dirt” on Hillary Clinton — and then tried to cover up that fact.

Whether additional criminal charges will be brought is unclear, but the investigation continues.

The president’s 5,001st claim was another tweet: He claimed that the administration “did an unappreciated great job” dealing with Hurricane Maria when it struck Puerto Rico in 2017.

That’s just spin that ignores a raft of official reports. A study by George Washington University estimated the death toll at between 2,658 and 3,290. Puerto Rico adopted the midpoint number, 2,975, as its official death toll. The island’s population dropped 8 percent because of the death toll and heavy out-migration after the hurricanes, according to the GWU study. A separate report by the Government Accountability Office found a litany of issues that prevented the Federal Emergency Management Agency from responding quickly and efficiently to the Puerto Rican disaster. Full power was not restored to Puerto Rico for 11 months after the hurricane.

A new Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll of 1,500 randomly selected adult residents of Puerto Rico found that 80 percent rate Trump’s response to Maria negatively. Many still struggle with basic necessities, with 83 percent reporting either major damage to their homes, losing power for more than three months, employment setbacks or worsening health problems, along with spotty power and dangerous, unrepaired roads.

With the new death toll of nearly 3,000 embraced by the Puerto Rican government, the president’s language when he visited Puerto Rico two weeks after the hurricane devastated the island appears tone-deaf.

“Every death is a horror, but if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina, and you look at the tremendous hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here and what is your death count? Sixteen people, versus in the thousands,” he said on Oct. 3, 2017. “You can be very proud. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people.”

Almost one-third of Trump’s claims — 1,573 — in The Fact Checker’s database relate to economic issues, trade deals or jobs. He frequently takes credit for jobs created before he became president or company decisions with which he had no role. He cites his “incredible success” in terms of job growth, even though annual job growth under his presidency has been slower than the last five years of President Barack Obama’s tenure. Almost 50 times, Trump has claimed that the economy today is the “greatest” in U.S. history, an absurd statement not backed up by data.

In the wake of the Woodward book, Trump resurrected a claim that dates from his first 100 days in office — that he has accomplished more than any other president in history in the same period of time. He made that statement six times in four days after news reports about the Woodward book.

Besides the tax bill, Trump has signed few noteworthy pieces of legislation, in contrast with the whirlwind of major bills passed in the first two years of the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson or Obama. As of his 600th day, Trump had signed about the same number of bills as Obama and George W. Bush but is behind every other president since Dwight D. Eisenhower, according to a calculation by Joshua Tauberer of GovTrack. He noted that Trump is just behind Obama in terms of the number of pages, indicating that much of the legislation he has signed has been about increasing government spending.
 

Yeshua1

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A seance?

President Trump has made more than 5,000 false or misleading claims
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-claims/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.524333729f92

On Sept. 7, President Trump woke up in Billings, Mont., flew to Fargo, N.D., visited Sioux Falls, S.D., and eventually returned to Washington. He spoke to reporters on Air Force One, held a pair of fundraisers and was interviewed by three local reporters.

In that single day, he publicly made 125 false or misleading statements — in a period of time that totaled only about 120 minutes. It was a new single-day high.

The day before, the president made 74 false or misleading claims, many at a campaign rally in Montana. An anonymous op-ed article by a senior administration official had just been published in the New York Times, and news circulated about journalist Bob Woodward’s insider account of Trump’s presidency.

Trump’s tsunami of untruths helped push the count in The Fact Checker’s database past 5,000 on the 601st day of his presidency. That’s an average of 8.3 Trumpian claims a day, but in the past nine days — since our last update — the president has averaged 32 claims a day.

When we first started this project for the president’s first 100 days, he averaged 4.9 claims a day. He passed the 2,000 mark on Jan. 10 — eight months ago.

Fittingly, the 5,000th claim was a tweet about the investigation led by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III: “Russian ‘collusion’ was just an excuse by the Democrats for having lost the Election!”

On nearly 140 occasions, the president has falsely claimed that the Russia investigation was made up or a hoax. But the information on Russian efforts to sway the 2016 election was developed by the intelligence community and published in a declassified report, in which the agencies said they had “high confidence” it was correct.

One of his campaign aides has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts overseas, including one connection who disclosed that the Russians had Democratic Party emails. The president’s son, son-in-law and campaign chairman met at Trump Tower in June 2016 with someone they thought was a representative of the Russian government and who had promised “dirt” on Hillary Clinton — and then tried to cover up that fact.

Whether additional criminal charges will be brought is unclear, but the investigation continues.

The president’s 5,001st claim was another tweet: He claimed that the administration “did an unappreciated great job” dealing with Hurricane Maria when it struck Puerto Rico in 2017.

That’s just spin that ignores a raft of official reports. A study by George Washington University estimated the death toll at between 2,658 and 3,290. Puerto Rico adopted the midpoint number, 2,975, as its official death toll. The island’s population dropped 8 percent because of the death toll and heavy out-migration after the hurricanes, according to the GWU study. A separate report by the Government Accountability Office found a litany of issues that prevented the Federal Emergency Management Agency from responding quickly and efficiently to the Puerto Rican disaster. Full power was not restored to Puerto Rico for 11 months after the hurricane.

A new Washington Post-Kaiser Family Foundation poll of 1,500 randomly selected adult residents of Puerto Rico found that 80 percent rate Trump’s response to Maria negatively. Many still struggle with basic necessities, with 83 percent reporting either major damage to their homes, losing power for more than three months, employment setbacks or worsening health problems, along with spotty power and dangerous, unrepaired roads.

With the new death toll of nearly 3,000 embraced by the Puerto Rican government, the president’s language when he visited Puerto Rico two weeks after the hurricane devastated the island appears tone-deaf.

“Every death is a horror, but if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina, and you look at the tremendous hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here and what is your death count? Sixteen people, versus in the thousands,” he said on Oct. 3, 2017. “You can be very proud. Sixteen versus literally thousands of people.”

Almost one-third of Trump’s claims — 1,573 — in The Fact Checker’s database relate to economic issues, trade deals or jobs. He frequently takes credit for jobs created before he became president or company decisions with which he had no role. He cites his “incredible success” in terms of job growth, even though annual job growth under his presidency has been slower than the last five years of President Barack Obama’s tenure. Almost 50 times, Trump has claimed that the economy today is the “greatest” in U.S. history, an absurd statement not backed up by data.

In the wake of the Woodward book, Trump resurrected a claim that dates from his first 100 days in office — that he has accomplished more than any other president in history in the same period of time. He made that statement six times in four days after news reports about the Woodward book.

Besides the tax bill, Trump has signed few noteworthy pieces of legislation, in contrast with the whirlwind of major bills passed in the first two years of the administrations of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson or Obama. As of his 600th day, Trump had signed about the same number of bills as Obama and George W. Bush but is behind every other president since Dwight D. Eisenhower, according to a calculation by Joshua Tauberer of GovTrack. He noted that Trump is just behind Obama in terms of the number of pages, indicating that much of the legislation he has signed has been about increasing government spending.
Trump has had to try to deal with and reverse the vast wasteland left to him by Obama though, and that was with a Congress never for him fully, as they were for Obama his first term!
 
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