saturneptune
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Do you believe that we as Christians will have to give an accounting of every event in our lives, including how we voted? If you do believe that we will, how would you justify a vote for Romney or Obama to the Lord?
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Votes on Judgement Day
- Thread starter saturneptune
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We'll probably, at minimum, know our true motives and whether our votes where good or bad. Rebukes may be an order, but only the Lord knows for sure.
Now, as for justifying a vote for Obama or Romney? No Idea. But personally, My vote this November is either a 3'rd party candidate or secession from the union. Hopefully, I can succeed to Israel or even the kingdom of God via a pre-trib rapture, but a revolution controlled, directed, and blessed by the Lord would do, although I'd hate to see bloodshed over disputes that seem so easy to solve, if pride didn't get in the way.
Now, as for justifying a vote for Obama or Romney? No Idea. But personally, My vote this November is either a 3'rd party candidate or secession from the union. Hopefully, I can succeed to Israel or even the kingdom of God via a pre-trib rapture, but a revolution controlled, directed, and blessed by the Lord would do, although I'd hate to see bloodshed over disputes that seem so easy to solve, if pride didn't get in the way.
Do you believe that we as Christians will have to give an accounting of every event in our lives, including how we voted? If you do believe that we will, how would you justify a vote for Romney or Obama to the Lord?
Yes, we will be called to give an accounting for everything including voting, name calling, anger and false representions against others.
Having never voted for Romney or Obama myself I don't know what justification would be made.
freeatlast
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First off I think there is a miss-conception about us giving an account. We are not going to be judged as in punished. Our sins are already paid for and anything we do now will be realized now as we reap what we sow. Our judgment is for rewards, not punishment or scolding. If we have done good we receive a reward if evil we receive nothing.Do you believe that we as Christians will have to give an accounting of every event in our lives, including how we voted? If you do believe that we will, how would you justify a vote for Romney or Obama to the Lord?
We are told to do all we do as unto the Lord, even eating and drinking. So in regards to voting if we are voting for personal values and desires that has nothing to do with the Lord then our vote would be sin. If we are voting for the person to honor the Lord then our vote is not sin. Everything we do needs to be as unto the Lord even if it means we lose personally.
Do you believe that we as Christians will have to give an accounting of every event in our lives, including how we voted? If you do believe that we will, how would you justify a vote for Romney or Obama to the Lord?
Nothing in scripture indicates that will will give specific accounts in this way.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Do you believe that we as Christians will have to give an accounting of every event in our lives, including how we voted? If you do believe that we will, how would you justify a vote for Romney or Obama to the Lord?
When Jesus Christ died for my sins He died for all of them, period.
However, that has nothing to do with the fact that if I am able to get to the polls in November I will vote for Romney.
You are apparently putting Romney and Obama in the same class and that is a serious mistake.
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Romney is a Mormon a works based religion!
Obama is a Marxist, his mentor as a teenager was a Marxist. I have no idea what his religious views are but atheism is generally the religion of Marxism.
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Romney was a successful man in business.
Obama has swilled at the "taxpayers trough" all his life.
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Romney has been ambivalent regarding abortion but apparently had an epiphany and is now pro-life.
Obama as a state senator fought to allow the slaughter of the newborn baby.
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Romney has been ambivalent regarding homosexual marriage but apparently had an epiphany and is now against such unions.
Obama has ordered Holder not to enforce the DOM act.
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Romneycare may have been stupid but it was not unconstitutional [state].
Obamacare is the greatest power grab by the Federal government in history and has built in it all that is needed for involuntary euthanasia. Yes S/N Sarah was right, there is a death panel of 15 members!
Obama has increased the National debt by 50% and if reelected, with your help, will double it before he leaves office. Simply put he is deliberately bankrupting the nation.
Obama has indicated to the Russians that he will be more flexible in dealing with them the next term!
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The Republican Party, though frequently weak and stupid, is the party of liberty and life.
The democrat party, though they may still celebrate their historical association with Jefferson, is the party of bondage and death.
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saturneptune
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Yes, we will be called to give an accounting for everything including voting, name calling, anger and false representions against others.
Having never voted for Romney or Obama myself I don't know what justification would be made.
You mean as in posts to Poncho.
saturneptune
New Member
When Jesus Christ died for my sins He died for all of them, period.
However, that has nothing to do with the fact that if I am able to get to the polls in November I will vote for Romney.
You are apparently putting Romney and Obama in the same class and that is a serious mistake.
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Romney is a Mormon a works based religion!
Obama is a Marxist, his mentor as a teenager was a Marxist. I have no idea what his religious views are but atheism is generally the religion of Marxism.
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Romney was a successful man in business.
Obama has swilled at the "taxpayers trough" all his life.
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Romney has been ambivalent regarding abortion but apparently had an epiphany and is now pro-life.
Obama as a state senator fought to allow the slaughter of the newborn baby.
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Romney has been ambivalent regarding homosexual marriage but apparently had an epiphany and is now against such unions.
Obama has ordered Holder not to enforce the DOM act.
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Romneycare may have been stupid but it was not unconstitutional [state].
Obamacare is the greatest power grab by the Federal government in history and has built in it all that is needed for involuntary euthanasia. Yes S/N Sarah was right, there is a death panel of 15 members!
Obama has increased the National debt by 50% and if reelected, with your help, will double it before he leaves office. Simply put he is deliberately bankrupting the nation.
Obama has indicated to the Russians that he will be more flexible in dealing with them the next term!
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The Republican Party, though frequently weak and stupid, is the party of liberty and life.
The democrat party, though they may still celebrate their historical association with Jefferson, is the party of bondage and death.
In reality, you are the enabler of Obama's reelection, since you are tolerant of a liberal Republican Party. The situation has deteriored so badly, that most ar looking for an excuse to vote for Romney. State or federal, it is still government run health insurance. It is still the enabler of abortion. As far as Romney changing stances on abortion, what do you expect, he has changed his position on numerous issues. Oh, and by the way, Mormonism is not just a religion of works. It is a cult, and they do not believe Jesus Christ is God.
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You mean as in posts to Poncho.
I am assuming that you are referring your posts to poncho since I know that I have never called him names or misrepresented his words.
OldRegular
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In reality, you are the enabler of Obama's reelection, since you are tolerant of a liberal Republican Party. The situation has deteriored so badly, that most ar looking for an excuse to vote for Romney. State or federal, it is still government run health insurance. It is still the enabler of abortion. As far as Romney changing stances on abortion, what do you expect, he has changed his position on numerous issues. Oh, and by the way, Mormonism is not just a religion of works. It is a cult, and they do not believe Jesus Christ is God.
Sadly S/N you are deluding yourself! I am going to vote for Romney if I am still alive. That is a vote against Obama. Therefore, your statement:
is not only false but irrational. You apparently are going to throw your vote away. That means one less vote for Romney.In reality, you are the enabler of Obama's reelection, since you are tolerant of a liberal Republican Party.
Also you incorrectly state the Republican party is liberal. Compared to what. The leadership of the democrat party, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin are all Marxists in my opinion, yet you are willing to leave these people, and their handler George Soros, in power. That is a shameful attitude.
I am not a coal miners daughter but I am the proud son of a Conservative and Republican coal miner. I was a Conservative probably before you were born. I will die a Conservative. I was a Republican in the South when Republican was a dirty word. I will die a Republican even if I do think they are the "stupid"party.
If Romney is elected and the Republicans gain complete control of Congress there is a possibility that Obamacare can be repealed assuming the Supreme Court does not repeal it. If Obama is reelected there is no chance of repeal. I would also remind you that the only legislation passed in Congress since Roe v Wage was the ban on Partial Birth Abortions; by a Republican Congress and signed by President Bush.
Cult or not [It is not a Christian religion.] Mormonism is a religion of works. But I am not voting for a pastor-in-chief. A lot of Baptists foolishly voted for a pastor-in-chief in 1976 because he was a "born again" Christian. As I recall he did not work out so good, but Obama makes Carter look presidential.
saturneptune
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No doubt you voted for Richard Nixon. How did that work out for you? In another thread, you had a long post ranting and raving against abortion. Have you bothered to read the Romney record on health care, abortion, and gay rights while governor of Massachusetts?Sadly S/N you are deluding yourself! I am going to vote for Romney if I am still alive. That is a vote against Obama. Therefore, your statement: is not only false but irrational. You apparently are going to throw your vote away. That means one less vote for Romney.
Also you incorrectly state the Republican party is liberal. Compared to what. The leadership of the democrat party, Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin are all Marxists in my opinion, yet you are willing to leave these people, and their handler George Soros, in power. That is a shameful attitude.
I am not a coal miners daughter but I am the proud son of a Conservative and Republican coal miner. I was a Conservative probably before you were born. I will die a Conservative. I was a Republican in the South when Republican was a dirty word. I will die a Republican even if I do think they are the "stupid"party.
If Romney is elected and the Republicans gain complete control of Congress there is a possibility that Obamacare can be repealed assuming the Supreme Court does not repeal it. If Obama is reelected there is no chance of repeal. I would also remind you that the only legislation passed in Congress since Roe v Wage was the ban on Partial Birth Abortions; by a Republican Congress and signed by President Bush.
Cult or not [It is not a Christian religion.] Mormonism is a religion of works. But I am not voting for a pastor-in-chief. A lot of Baptists foolishly voted for a pastor-in-chief in 1976 because he was a "born again" Christian. As I recall he did not work out so good, but Obama makes Carter look presidential.
I have another question for you. After the 2008 election lesson, which obviously you did not learn, what have you done besides vote to help nominate a conservative nominee who believes in the Constitutition.
You talk a lot about past elections. Did you bother to learn the lesson of the election of 1980, since you mentioned Carter in 1976? Why did Carter lose? He lost because the Republicans learned from 1976. In 1976, they nominated a moderate to liberal wishy washy nominee and lost. Why did the Republicans beat Carter in 1980. It was because they nominated a conservative in the person of Ronald Reagan. It was not close as in 1976, Carter got thrashed. Reagan won 49 states in 1984.
Reagans only mistake was his pick for VP, another in a long string of moderate to liberal losers. Why did Bush lose in 1992? Because he was a man who did not follow his convictions, but followed pressure of a Democratic congress and the polls. Do you see a pattern here? Obviously not.
You claim to be a conservative, yet you berate those who vote conservative. You are a Republican regardless of what they have become. I believe the term is Republican apologist. Instead of degrading those who stand up for conservative principles, why not try changing the party the way it used to be?
Being a Republican before I was born means nothing. I grew up as a Republican in Mississippi, have lived in Kentucky for 35 years, and was a Republican until switching to the Constitution Party last year. I have stayed the course. What is your problem?
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I don't think we are going to be held 'accountable' for voting for a candidate who used his/her office to produce ungodly results. For one thing, it must be impossible to vote for anyone for whom that would not be true. Jesus selected his disciples which included Judas Iscariot, who he knew was evil would do more evil, yet He was sinless. The other disciples argued among themselves to boost their egos, at least one outrightly and cowardly betrayed Him. So it's hard for me to see that voting for an imperfect human being who we know will not be perfect in office is something we will have to 'answer for' when the One who supposedly would question us knew for much greater certainty that He was selecting traitors, cowards and egomaniacs.
For another thing, there seems to be no corelation between a candidate's pious words, and especially his church membership, to the results of his holding office. Nixon ordered bombings and conspired to coverup criminal activity, yet he was a Friend [Quaker]. Lincoln, A.Johnson, and Eisenhower were not members of any church. Carter and Clinton were both Baptist (SB's at least at the time), and they supported legal abortions and were wishy-washy about same sex marriage, prayers at tax-supported institutions, et al.
There are more examples, of course, but it all merits just summing up by saying "Vote your politics," and don't think you're voting for or against God, because neither history nor associativeness bear that out. And you're definitely not voting for Romney's Mormon Church, nor Obama's GDA church... unless it's clearly your intention to do so. But even then we don't know which administration, if either, will produce more godliness in society or less of it.
For another thing, there seems to be no corelation between a candidate's pious words, and especially his church membership, to the results of his holding office. Nixon ordered bombings and conspired to coverup criminal activity, yet he was a Friend [Quaker]. Lincoln, A.Johnson, and Eisenhower were not members of any church. Carter and Clinton were both Baptist (SB's at least at the time), and they supported legal abortions and were wishy-washy about same sex marriage, prayers at tax-supported institutions, et al.
There are more examples, of course, but it all merits just summing up by saying "Vote your politics," and don't think you're voting for or against God, because neither history nor associativeness bear that out. And you're definitely not voting for Romney's Mormon Church, nor Obama's GDA church... unless it's clearly your intention to do so. But even then we don't know which administration, if either, will produce more godliness in society or less of it.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
No doubt you voted for Richard Nixon. How did that work out for you? In another thread, you had a long post ranting and raving against abortion. Have you bothered to read the Romney record on health care, abortion, and gay rights while governor of Massachusetts?
I have another question for you. After the 2008 election lesson, which obviously you did not learn, what have you done besides vote to help nominate a conservative nominee who believes in the Constitutition.
You talk a lot about past elections. Did you bother to learn the lesson of the election of 1980, since you mentioned Carter in 1976? Why did Carter lose? He lost because the Republicans learned from 1976. In 1976, they nominated a moderate to liberal wishy washy nominee and lost. Why did the Republicans beat Carter in 1980. It was because they nominated a conservative in the person of Ronald Reagan. It was not close as in 1976, Carter got thrashed. Reagan won 49 states in 1984.
Reagans only mistake was his pick for VP, another in a long string of moderate to liberal losers. Why did Bush lose in 1992? Because he was a man who did not follow his convictions, but followed pressure of a Democratic congress and the polls. Do you see a pattern here? Obviously not.
You claim to be a conservative, yet you berate those who vote conservative. You are a Republican regardless of what they have become. I believe the term is Republican apologist. Instead of degrading those who stand up for conservative principles, why not try changing the party the way it used to be?
Being a Republican before I was born means nothing. I grew up as a Republican in Mississippi, have lived in Kentucky for 35 years, and was a Republican until switching to the Constitution Party last year. I have stayed the course. What is your problem?
I don't need a history lesson on politics S/N.
And just how many members of the Constitution party are serving in Congress or have served as president. People like you who have a pity party, pick up their marbles and go home, are the reason that we are in the state we are.
There are a number of Conservative Republicans who could have run for the nomination this year, they chose not to do so. Take up your beef with them.
saturneptune
New Member
I don't need a history lesson on politics S/N.
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You need something.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
You need something.
You are the one who lost your pacifier. You can always use your thumb.
freeatlast
New Member
You are the one who lost your pacifier. You can always use your thumb.
Learn that from your Pastor or are you self taught?
DiamondLady
New Member
Do you believe that we as Christians will have to give an accounting of every event in our lives, including how we voted? If you do believe that we will, how would you justify a vote for Romney or Obama to the Lord?
Christians will never stand at the Judgment Seat, that is reserved for the lost. Christians will stand at the Bema Seat where our works will be cast into the fire. They'll either be refined or burned up. There's no big white movie screen where our sins are flashed before our eyes, no weeping and gnashing of teeth for those choices and votes. Sorry, isn't going to happen.
freeatlast
New Member
Agreed! :thumbs:Christians will never stand at the Judgment Seat, that is reserved for the lost. Christians will stand at the Bema Seat where our works will be cast into the fire. They'll either be refined or burned up. There's no big white movie screen where our sins are flashed before our eyes, no weeping and gnashing of teeth for those choices and votes. Sorry, isn't going to happen.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Christians will never stand at the Judgment Seat, that is reserved for the lost. Christians will stand at the Bema Seat where our works will be cast into the fire. They'll either be refined or burned up. There's no big white movie screen where our sins are flashed before our eyes, no weeping and gnashing of teeth for those choices and votes. Sorry, isn't going to happen.
Actually dear lady there is only one Judgment, the White Throne Judgment and all shall be there.