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Voting Day (Again) in Georgia
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Well, abortion is the “topic” this go-round.
Vaccinations was the “topic” a year (+/-) ago.
What’s next??????
Seriously considering erasing my presence here due to all the double talk, mis-quoting, answering non- asked questions, NOT answering asked questions and general bloviating, apparently just to muddy the conversations.
Should another topic reach this level, well —————!!!!
Vaccinations was the “topic” a year (+/-) ago.
What’s next??????
Seriously considering erasing my presence here due to all the double talk, mis-quoting, answering non- asked questions, NOT answering asked questions and general bloviating, apparently just to muddy the conversations.
Should another topic reach this level, well —————!!!!
Politicians have made the topics in worldly politics.Well, abortion is the “topic” this go-round.
Vaccinations was the “topic” a year (+/-) ago.
What’s next??????
Seriously considering erasing my presence here due to all the double talk, mis-quoting, answering non- asked questions, NOT answering asked questions and general bloviating, apparently just to muddy the conversations.
Should another topic reach this level, well —————!!!!
But for me, when it comes to politics, abortion has always been the topic.
I voted Republican all my voting life because of abortion. Unfortunately with the reversal of Roe vs Wade Republican politicians are finding it necessary to commit to supporting keeping most abortions legal in order to combat late term abortion.
I understand the reason. Without protecting some abortions the GOP will loose support from a significant amount of Republican who are pro-choice and view anti-abortion an infringement on our rights. The GOP would also further isolate some independents they are trying to attract.
Politics involves compromise. I get that. I just cannot support that compromise.
And yes, the GOP compromise does make "pro-life" within the GOP "double-speak". The goal is to prevent abortion, but to do so the party has to compromise by protecting most abortions at this time. That is doublespeak.
But at the same time politics is often doublespeak.
I think the best thing we can do is point that out.
Many Republican do not know that the GOP is fighting within itself whether to follow Graham and protect abortions up to the 15th week or to keep it at the 20th week. Looks like they will continue ti protect abortions to the 20th week.
Many don't know Kemp vowed to keep abortions to the 6th week (43% of abortions) legal in GA.
When we compromise we should look at the whole picture. That is something politicians do not want.
Another issue is a double standard.
We consider anti-abortion people who vote Democrat to be pri-abortion because the DNC seeks to protect abortion.
But what about anti-abortionists who vote Republican when the GOP now protects abortions up to a specific gestation period?
Honesty means those who vote Republican also support protecting - at least for now - abortion that the GOP protects for political gain.
We consider anti-abortion people who vote Democrat to be pri-abortion because the DNC seeks to protect abortion.
But what about anti-abortionists who vote Republican when the GOP now protects abortions up to a specific gestation period?
Honesty means those who vote Republican also support protecting - at least for now - abortion that the GOP protects for political gain.
Without Republicans, there would be no time limits. Dems would allow up till 9 month's.
Dems want abortion after birth to be legal.
I know.
Right now the GOP is keeping it legal to 20 months (a political compromise to gain supporters) which would reduce legal abortions by 1.1%.
And that does save lives.
My issue with that policy is the GOP is, at this time, actively protecting 98.9% of abortions (those up to the 20th gesteration period) in order to seek support to limit abortion.
I am not saying this will not save lives.
I'm just saying that I cannot in good conscience support protecting the killing of any unborn child in order to reach that compromise.
Same with Kemp. He committed to keeping 43% of abortions legal by protecting abortion to the 6th week in order to gain political support. That would prevent 57% of abortions being performed in GA (they'd have to go out of state). But still, that's 43% of abortions protected.
They want all abortion legal.
Republicans want only 98.9% to remain legal (so as to maintain party support), but that would save many.
Looks like what you call "RINOS" want only 43% to remain legal for the same reason. RINOS would save more than Republicans, I guess, but they still protect abortion.
canadyjd
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Oops. 20 weeks.
The GOP is protecting abortion through the 20th week (98.9% of abortions). Graham wants to lower that to the 15th week (93% of abortions) but this is splitting the GOP. It is not about abortion but about political power.
canadyjd
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Here is a dilemma. If you favor states rights and are against abortion, should you allow the states to make their own laws or seek Federal intervention?
peace to you
I have no problem if states/commonwealths set their own policies on abortion IF - and this is a big IF - if all policies are left up to the States/commonwealths per the 10th amendment- and WITHOUT use of blackmail laws - ie no money for roads -if you dont make 55 mph your speed limit....
I don't see that as a dilemma. I do not believe the state or the federal government has a right to kill the unborn.
That is my issue with the GOP supporting keeping abortion legal (federally) to the 20th week. They don't have the right to kill babies.
Same with Kemp. I appreciate that he is trying to restrict abortion, but he does this by guaranteeing to keep abortion legal in GA through thr 6th week.
These are lives. They are not pawns in a political game.
I do. The reason I do is these unborn babies are human beings. They are alive. Killing them should not be something left up to the States to decide. Killing people (even unborn people) should be a against the law of our nation, not an option for States to decide.
How can the federal government protect the right of a person based on race but allow States the option to kill unborn babies? That is not right.
Once again you attack me personally, and imply your bogus views are facts. In my opinion your behavior is akin to a child's tantrum, thus we would all benefit if you suspended posting in this manner.
I am not in any way attacking you personally.
I am saying that the GOP is seeking to keep abortion legal federally through the 20th week (which is 98.9% of abortions based on abortions performed in 2021). That is a compromise for political power.
Those who vote GOP are supporting the GOP platform.
Kemp committed to keeping abortion legal in GA through the 6th week (43% of abortions performed in GA in 2021).
Those who voted for Kemp support Kemp's platform.
Those ARE facts. Whether you want those facts known is not relevant.
You support keeping 98.9% of abortions legal federally because you support the GOP platform which includes keeping those abortions legal by your vote.
You are trying not to make the perfect (not supporting any abortion) the enemy of the "good" (banning some abortions).
In my opinion your behavior is akin to a child's tantrum, thus we would all benefit if you suspended posting in this manner.
You have said many times I am pro-abortion. Full Stop
When the TITANIC sunk, SOME were rescued, others drowned.
Based on your logic, Jonc, it was an effort wasted, since ALL could not be rescued.
The fact that some drowned DOES NOT SUPPORT the idea that the rescuers "SUPPORTED" ( To Van - - "You support keeping 98.9% of abortions legal federally --") the drowning of all the victims!! This logic is as full of holes as a fishing net!!
Agree with Van (think it was) that said just because you have convictions does not mean that those convictions are legitimate or accurate. Sometimes an analysis is required!
Based on your logic, Jonc, it was an effort wasted, since ALL could not be rescued.
The fact that some drowned DOES NOT SUPPORT the idea that the rescuers "SUPPORTED" ( To Van - - "You support keeping 98.9% of abortions legal federally --") the drowning of all the victims!! This logic is as full of holes as a fishing net!!
Agree with Van (think it was) that said just because you have convictions does not mean that those convictions are legitimate or accurate. Sometimes an analysis is required!
canadyjd
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I do not disagree that abortions should be illegal, except in the case of a medical condition that threatens the life of the mother.
The question is how do we accomplish that goal in this country.
Roe has been overturned. At this moment, the fate of abortion lies with the State legislatures. Those of us that are pro-life must engage in the debate at each state level. Not only arguing life begins at conception, but also the risks to the mother: the increase chances of miscarriages, uterine cancer, Brest cancer, uterine damage, hysterectomies, and even death during the procedure as well as phycological issues that last a life time.
To be effective in this debate so we can enact the best abortion laws that will save lives, we must do more than scream “YOU ARE KILLING BABIES!!!!!”
peace to you
I am sorry that you cannot tolerate other views.
I said that you are against abortion, but that you support abortion (the amount of abortion supported by the GOP) by supporting the GOP.
That, my friend, is fact. It isn't even close to my opinion, which I did not offer.
When we vote for a platform we support (actively support) that platform even if we disagree with parts of it.
Same with anti-abortion Democrats. Like you, they are opposed to abortion but support it via their vote.
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