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Wait…Alex Jones is an Actor?! Actually, He’s Not the Only One

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TCassidy

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Alex Jones is far from amazing
I think he is amazing. Amazingly bigoted. Amazingly loose with the fact. And several other "amazings" I can think of. :)

his audience deserves no credibility that a person running for President of the United States gives them by entertaining them.
You know the old saying, "there is no such thing as bad publicity." :)

congratulating him on killing Democracy
Not an entirely accurate assessment according to those who are intimately acquainted with Turkish Politics.

The New York Times (not a radical right wing news source) posted an interesting article a couple days ago:

Turkish voters go to the polls on Sunday in a referendum on a new constitution that would change the system of their country’s government. The ruling Justice and Development Party, or A.K.P., introduced these amendments last December — with the support of the opposition Nationalist Movement Party — to fix flaws in the current system. Unfortunately, the government’s proposals are being taken out of context. Opponents have cast the referendum as an attempt to grab power by President Recep Tayyip Erdogan rather than what it really is: an effort to improve governance.

The basis of Turkey’s political system is a constitution that was written in 1982 by the generals who had carried out a military coup two years earlier. That document was then amended 18 times under sixsuccessive governments. In 2007, a referendum was held on an amendment to introduce the direct election of the presidency. It passed with nearly 60 percent of the vote. But the system remains riddled with inconsistencies and inefficiencies.

The current constitution establishes neither a parliamentary system nor a presidential one. In fact, it is a two-headed hybrid, with a directly elected parliament and a directly elected president. With both a president and a prime minister elected through popular vote, any major dispute on policy between the two leaders could cause deadlock and political crisis.

See https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/14/opinion/turkeys-good-governance-referendum.html for the entire article.
 

Use of Time

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So you admit you can't name a single person on the BB who has stated Jones is an icon of truth?

He never said they did nor was it the thesis of the entire article in which he posted. Perhaps you would be willing to acknowledge that you were a bit hasty to ask for an apology. If not then at least quit the semantic quibbling over a non issue.
 

TCassidy

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He never said they did nor was it the thesis of the entire article in which he posted.
He said, when posting to the BB and its members, "your icons of truth are challenged."

Speaking to us he claims Jones is "your icon of truth."

Perhaps you would be willing to acknowledge that you were a bit hasty to ask for an apology.
Not at all. He made a false accusation.

If not then at least quit the semantic quibbling over a non issue.
I do not consider the truth to be mere semantics. Nor do I consider the truth to be a non issue.
 

Use of Time

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He said, when posting to the BB and its members, "your icons of truth are challenged."

Speaking to us he claims Jones is "your icon of truth."

Not at all. He made a false accusation.

I do not consider the truth to be mere semantics. Nor do I consider the truth to be a non issue.

Jones was one of many people in the article and he mentioned Trump devotees in a general sense. I don't know why you are hanging your hat on Jones alone. The article was about conservative punditry in general. How bizarre? Can't you just admit you didn't read the article?
 

Rolfe

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Jones was of many people and he mentioned Trump devotees in a general sense. I don't know why you are hanging your hat on Jones alone. Can't you just admit you didn't read the article?

I think that his pride will neither allow him to admit his haste nor apologize for acting upon it.

(Sentence seems awkwardly written to me. I plead ESL if others agree.:))
 

TCassidy

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So, Rolf, are you now saying that you do not believe any BB members consider Jones to be an icon of truth?
 

Use of Time

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I think that his pride will neither allow him to admit his haste nor apologize for acting upon it.

(Sentence seems awkwardly written to me. I plead ESL if others agree.:))

He's obviously going to play word games and cling exclusively to Alex Jones. It seems you are right. I got the gist of your post. I think most probably did as well.
 

Rob_BW

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I despise infowars, am no fan of Alex Jones, but isn't taking what the guy said in a custody battle sorta like making a statement under duress?

I don't condone lying, but I can sure understand how someone could be persuaded to say something like that if custody of their children was on the line.
 

Use of Time

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I despise infowars, am no fan of Alex Jones, but isn't taking what the guy said in a custody battle sorta like making a statement under duress?

I don't condone lying, but I can sure understand how someone could be persuaded to say something like that if custody of their children was on the line.

I think we all know he's telling the truth here and he knows full well that he is a character performing to those without the cognitive ability to identify him as such. It's a delightful irony the way I see it.
 

Rob_BW

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I think we all know he's telling the truth here and he knows full well that he is a character performing to those without the cognitive ability to identify him as such. It's a delightful irony the way I see it.
No. We don't all know that.

I think he's a full on believer in all of the crazy junk and conspiracy theories he posts/reports. And that his lawyer said to lie so he did.

Your mileage may vary.
 

Use of Time

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No. We don't all know that.

I think he's a full on believer in all of the crazy junk and conspiracy theories he posts/reports. And that his lawyer said to lie so he did.

Your mileage may vary.

Also possible but I'm always skeptical when his schtic is attached to his livelihood. It's very formulaic. Like every event gets woven into this tapestry. I get that he believes certain things but he also needs new material to sustain his show and I have a hard time believing he doesn't indulge himself by manufacturing new material out of nothing.
 

Benjamin

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I know that a nerve has been struck when people suggest that I am a Liberal.

Again, with this fascination with left vs right that consumes so many in this country. Conservatives will end up doing more harm than good with their blind support for a President that is disliked by the far left, moderates and even some of the far right base. The Democrats will have so much momentum going into 2018 as long as his carelessness in what he says and how he behaves is continued to allow to go unchecked.

I find it odd that you talk about this “fascination” as if to scold others and as if you don’t, whether discreet or not, take ownership of these Us vs Them arguments yourself. I don’t know who you are, to me it appears someone who nobody knew that suddenly and rather strangely showed up as an Administrator on this long established board. It seems somehow you believe you don’t own a side and are entitled to free rein attacks on our new President and the Conservative party and can boast of how the Liberals (which apparently you prefer to label as Democrats) will annihilate the Conservatives in upcoming elections which like it or not demonstrates your hope to me, but then it seems turn around and strangely reason that you are/should be excluded from others putting you on a side and should not think of you as liberal or perhaps others should not be allowed to make these very obvious distinctions.


But I’ll tell you what, if I see from anyone on this site engaging in stereotypical Obstructionist and/or pessimistic views being habitually voiced against the Conservative elected President, continual displays of favoritism and optimism toward liberal ideologies and progression, constant regurgitations of liberal rhetoric against anyone who supports the changes of our President and paths he takes, the hyperbolic team labeling them as Trump Devotees, claims of being uncommitted but accompanied by persistent demonstrations of undeniable bias and taking stabs at what I would say has proven to be a very Conservative agenda …I could go on but the message of choosing sides in Conservatives vs Liberals is pretty unmistaken IMO by any rational sense whether or not one wishes to reject that label of which side they are on.


IOW’s if continually it waddles and quacks in unison with ducks it’s pretty fair to conclude it is a duck. And frankly, cries of being offended by having your views labeled as liberal, if that's where you're going, amounts to little more than “Reverse Ad Hominem” fallacy in my book. ;)


And yes, this “acting” of “innocently” suggesting most Conservatives would believe and ride on every word out of Alex Jones’ mouth is funny if for nothing more than for its hypocrisy on who is “acting”.
 

InTheLight

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And yes, this “acting” of “innocently” suggesting most Conservatives would believe and ride on every word out of Alex Jones’ mouth is funny if for nothing more than for its hypocrisy on who is “acting”.

What part of "Alex Jones, he's not the only one", don't you understand. I mean it's in the thread title for Pete's sake.



Sent from my Motorola Droid Turbo.
 

Rolfe

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But I’ll tell you what, if I see from anyone on this site engaging in stereotypical Obstructionist and/or pessimistic views being habitually voiced against the Conservative elected President, continual displays of favoritism and optimism toward liberal ideologies and progression, constant regurgitations of liberal rhetoric against anyone who supports the changes of our President and paths he takes, the hyperbolic team labeling them as Trump Devotees, claims of being uncommitted but accompanied by persistent demonstrations of undeniable bias and taking stabs at what I would say has proven to be a very Conservative agenda …I could go on but the message of choosing sides in Conservatives vs Liberals is pretty unmistaken IMO by any rational sense whether or not one wishes to reject that label of which side they are on.

This is an impressive sentence. It would be even more awe-inspiring if someone could actually recite it in one breath.
 
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