War Critics Compared to Hitler Appeasers

In 1939, the free world had only been 20 years removed from the last World War. Not one of those countries were prepared for another war of the same dimension.

In the 30's, many western nations were showing approval for Hilter's leadership, including the US President and even the US Ambassador to England, Joseph Kennedy, who was eventually expelled from England for that reason.

England's Prime Minister was trying to appease Hitler with political commen sense, and an ultimatum was left with Hitler....DO NOT invade other sovereign countries.

Chamberlain came back and said "Peace in our time..." He was buying time, a year, for England to prepare for war. The munitions factories were started immediately, troops were trained and air raid wardens were set up. England was preparing for war, even without the USA, in 1938. Chamberlain was not as vacillating as some historians state. In fact, he was quite ill and died a short time after his resignation. We went it alone from '39-'42, but at least we faced the enemy and it cost us dearly.

It was not the anhilation of the Jews, it was not Germany's threat to invade close neighbours. It was the world threat that every free leader knew was Hitler's ambition, and ultimately the loss of freedom that we all had worked so hard to achieve.

War is not the most desireable action, but sometimes it is the only option. The Middle East is a tough call because we are not facing military might, but an ideology that would see our demise as desireable. I don't know what the correct action is, I just know that if our government has moved in our interests, we best lend as much support as we can. If we divide at home, we will lose on the field.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Yes, there was some looting by the Palestinians (a bunch of noseless faces there), but most of them are working. Now, the Palestinians have to dump the crops they've grown because Israel controls the way to the cargo terminal. Israel also controls the tariffs the Palestinians collect on good coming in.

Settlers who went there illegally forced to evacuate by their own government. Palestinians were ripped from their homes earlier, then bulldozed inside their homes if they didn't evacuate quickly enough.

You may very well be right about radical Islam (I think you are), but most Moslems are not a part of that.

Clinton did want that. I won't say what I think of Arafat as this is a family site. His messing up and the PLA's general corruption are some reasons why Hamas was voted in recently. Just before the Iraqi invasion, I was hoping Bush was bluffing to achieve peace in the Middle East, but alas...

Golda Meir (I'm older, in high schoool then, but I still had to look it up). Yes, there certainly had been a lot of violence in the '70s, but it had dissipated quite a bit. Carter had negotiated a lasting (so far) peace between Israel and Egypt, so it seemed that the unbreakable cycle of violence had been broken there - so it was the model of possibility.

 

Easy for you to say as your government behaved well.

 

Well, we do have limited resources, and we already had a considerable number of troops in Kuwait,,and they remained there...and we did engage fully in Afganistan (sp) in a police action,,remember the Suez Canal...that was police action too....come to think of it, Korea was a conflict, not a war....took us 40 years to get medals for Korean action.......

Frankly, Saddam, albeit a tyrant, was keeping relative order in the Middle East because the other countries feared him......we had time to deal with him, in my opinion........ad remember the weapons of mass destruction????

oh well.......

Cheers,

Jim

PS. I'm too old to sign up again...:saint:

 

Of course. They have figured out what happened, and is happening. Why do you think they rate Bush one of the worst presidents in history?

 

Donald Rumsfeld on board with another round of fear-mongering




Oh yeah! Don you know that you know you were selling this guy all kinds of things at the time...weapons ....food....chemicals.


No wisdom what so ever coming from the bush culture of fear-mongering.

 

Rumsfeld needs to be replaced as Secretary of Defense. His tenure at the Department of Defense has been a disaster. If I understand correctly, he was the main reason why we didn't go into Iraq with enough troops to keep the post-invasion insurgency from exploding to the level it has reached today.

 

That is false. His exact words were...."they are sincere, and patriotic, but wrong"

 

Did you know Egypt built a wall to keep PAs out ? (I'm sure you did)

 

It is undeniable that things have gotten worse in Iraq. That doesn't mean that the situation won't improve. At least we can hope and pray that it will.

The GOP is in big trouble in this November if the best it can offer as a reason to vote for their candidates for the House and the Senate is that Democrats are appeasers and that Nancy Pelosi would be the Speaker of the House if the Democrats win a majority there.

Whatever happened to the GOP being the party of ideas instead of being the party of brickbats?

 

Anyone who has been to the Middle East for more than a week's holiday, will know that we cannot take western democracy and culture there with the expectation of converting those nations. England tried that for more than fifty years and finally got out and said enough is enough.

To help restore civility to a foreign country is one thing. To convert them to western thinking is quite another. What is that old saying, "When in Rome do as te Romans do..."

An ideology is not defeated by warfare, but rather by a better ideology. A bully may beat me with his fists, but I will defeat him with my personal determination to be a better person.

Cheers,

Jim

 

We met with great success bringing democracy to Japan. You may disagree wih the method in which it was done, but you cannot deny the results. I read newspapers from all over the world, and have yet to see a Japanese news article that even hints about America's evil imperialism. It is clear Japan looks up to US, models it's economy after ours, has contributed greatly to the betterment of the whole world. We can export democracy, we have demonstrated it. And I'm sure the money we used to build Japan back up was money very well spent.

Now it is an absolute shame more countries will not call out the true terrorists. That is the biggest obstacle we face, IMO.

 

It is a whole lot easier to develop a democracy in an industrialized, modern nation.

 

We shouldn't be looking at this as what's easier, we should look at what needs to happen. We should be looking for ways to succeed, not for excuses to pull out.

BTW, nice dog.

 

50 years?

Nothing personal, but the brits got their tails tucked and sent home all over the middle east from about 1840 to 1950 . . .

Other than your time line - the rest is pretty good.

Especially with the expectation of changing those countries - they are different.

Cheers!

Wayne

 

I agree that we should not look for easy, but for what works.

But, in their mind - what works doesn't work.

IMHO

Nice dog . . .

 

No, I didn't, but I'll take your word for it without even looking it up. No one wants poor refugees flooding the border - they wreck havoc on property values. The myth of Arab (and Islamic) unity and brotherhood is just that - a myth.

Egypt in the 70s was pro-Western and progressive. I think the Saudis spread a lot of fundamentalism with their money and madrassas.