Warren & PDC In The News

[webdog]

Yes, it is because the text doesn't say what you claim. It does not say that God created man for this purpose. The Bible says God loved and God gave. It does not say or imply this was His purpose; it is a straighforward statement of what He did. You are reading your own ideas into the text.

...and you are reading your ideas into the text that God did not create us to love us.

Yet, you still are not making any connection. This is simply childish repartee.

You just fail to see the connection. Maybe that is you problem in understanding the five purposes.

Suppose you tell me. Procreation? Prevent fornication? Legitimatize the sexual relationship? What? Are you proposing that marriage was created for love? Where do you find a Scriptural basis for this?

I could tell you...but I asked you. No answer?

You can ask inane questions faster than I can keyboard. I won't play this ridiculous game.

And yet you continue to type on...

I suppose this was intended as a cute retort but it appears to be a childish yah..yah..yah...yah. What do you mean? It doesn't make good sense. Is RW a prophet? Who comes out of the woodwork? His followers? Your antecedents are confusing. You seem to imply a lot but say nothing.

...like this response?

Wow! This is a jumble. I don't know what you are saying. It's rather confused and mixed up. You've injected a lot of problems for your point, whatever it may be. Human love for offspring is often a selfish affair. I would not define God's love by appealing to human love as an example. We only know love because God loved us and gave Christ Jesus to die on the cross for our sin. He loved us first.

I think my statement was very easy to understand if you are a parent. You must not be.

Furthermore, perhaps you could tell me what it means to be created in God's image. Are we little gods? Is it physical? Was the image marred in the Fall? Do the unbelievers also bear God's image? Are sinners like God? Also, please tell me why you think God is called our Heavenly Father? I don't see your connection here.

What do you think I said? Do you understand my points? Can you restate them? Huh?

I can't tell if you are asking questions or erecting strawmen. Probably that latter, though. Either way, I can't follow your logic or points. Please refrain in the future to referring to me as childish. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[webdog]

Webdog,

Let us look at his statement for I do not believe I took it out of context.

Mr. Warren clearly says that the “purpose of the bible is not for”, and while the actual verse reads “is profitable for” Mr. Warren clearly says these things are “not the purpose for the bible”

In his own words “Those (doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness) are all in the Greek for this, for this, for this.” By his own words he is saying that the bible is not profitable for this, for this, for this.

I ask you is the bible for doctrine is it or is it not.
I ask you is the bible for reproof yes or no.
I ask you is the bible for correction yes or no.
I ask you is the bible for instruction in righteousness yes or know.

If the bible is not for these things then pray tell what is the bible for? Words can change people, false repentance can change people, a good cause can change people but there is nothing that is said to be the living, piercing, changing word of God except the bible.

My brother personally I believe that Mr. Warren has accomplished more than I ever could in three or four life times none the less his position places him in a position of extreme personal inspection. I am not judging him I am saying these things I have written about give me cause to be wary and concerned.

Thjplgvp

You say you want ot look at his statement in context...and then to continue ripping points you would like to make out of context. Classic example...

I ask you is the bible for doctrine is it or is it not.
I ask you is the bible for reproof yes or no.
I ask you is the bible for correction yes or no.
I ask you is the bible for instruction in righteousness yes or know.

If the bible is not for these things then pray tell what is the bible for?

If you would remove the "Bash RW" glasses for a moment, you will see his point...in context of his statement.
Is the Bible for doctrine? Yes. Doctrine only? No.
Is the Bible for reproof? Yes. Reproof only? No.
Is the Bible for correction? Yes. Correction only? No.
Is the Bible for instruction? Yes. Instruction only? No.

Do you quit reading that verse there? Obviously, or you wouldn't ask "If the Bible is not for these things then pray tell what is the Bible for?"
"That the man of God may be thoroughly furnished unto every good work."

 

[Rufus_1611]

Rick Warren

Rick Warren is quoted as saying that the enemies of the 21st century is fundamentalism regardless of whether it is Muslim based or Christian based and he calls the five fundamentals of the faith "narrow" and "legalistic". Warren also promotes New Age repetitive breath prayers which matches up with his promotion of the New Age Message and there are not too many degrees of separation between Warren and Lucis Trust.

I'm not really looking for a fight here but it is a bit surprising to find folks supporting Mr. Warren in a "Fundamental Baptist Forum". As someone rightly stated in this thread...Warren is a wolf.

 

[gb93433]

Where are the Scriptures that says any first century church, and I presume you are talking about the first churches established by the Apostles, ever led anyone to Christ ?

Stay within Scriptures, please. Any historian's account you quote puts you extra-Scriptural.

The Bible does not say that people sweat either.

 

[webdog]

Warren also promotes New Age repetitive breath prayers which matches up with his promotion of the New Age Message and there are not too many degrees of separation between Warren and Lucis Trust.

Really? You think the Gospel message is "new age"? Wow.

I'm not really looking for a fight here but it is a bit surprising to find folks supporting Mr. Warren in a "Fundamental Baptist Forum". As someone rightly stated in this thread...Warren is a wolf.

From all of the bashing I see, I'm beginning to think the wolves are those who are trying to put a stop to the Gospel due size of church one pastors.

 

[Rufus_1611]

Really? You think the Gospel message is "new age"? Wow.

That is not even remotely close to what I said. You even quoted what I said and somehow extrapoloated that I thought the gospel message is new age? I will repeat that Rick Warren's promotion of meditative breath prayers is a New Age doctrine, and add that it is anti-Bible and is therefore anti-Christ.

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." - Matthew 6:7​

From all of the bashing I see, I'm beginning to think the wolves are those who are trying to put a stop to the Gospel due size of church one pastors.

It is not about size it is about doctrine and what is being preached. Why are you so anxious to support someone who is so anti-fundamentalism in Rick Warren. Are you a fundamentalist or do you disdain them as well?

"Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be "one of the big enemies of the 21st century."

"Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism - they're all motivated by fear. Fear of each other." - Rick Warren
(Source: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/religion/13573441.htm)​

 

[webdog]

That is not even remotely close to what I said. You even quoted what I said and somehow extrapoloated that I thought the gospel message is new age?

It's exactly what you said. You said he preaches a new age Gospel. Rick Warren preaches the Gospel. If you think it's new age, it's between you and the Lord. Me thinks the "1611" in your name has something to do with it...

I will repeat that Rick Warren's promotion of meditative breath prayers is a New Age doctrine, and add that it is anti-Bible and is therefore anti-Christ.

"But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking." - Matthew 6:7​

A "breath prayer" is vain repetition? I do not see where RW states to say the same prayer over and over again. Source? Do you even know what "vain" repetition means?

It is not about size it is about doctrine and what is being preached. Why are you so anxious to support someone who is so anti-fundamentalism in Rick Warren. Are you a fundamentalist or do you disdain them as well?

Are you so eager to hate RW that you don't even read his comments in context? Find out who RW is referring to when he states "fundamentalist" and then we'll talk...
Anyone can rip quotes from context.

 

[Rufus_1611]

A "breath prayer" is vain repetition? I do not see where RW states to say the same prayer over and over again. Source? Do you even know what "vain" repetition means?

"Use 'breath prayers' throughout the day, as many Christians have done for centuries. You choose a brief sentence or a simple phrase that can be repeated to Jesus in one breath."
—Rick Warren, Purpose-Driven Life, p. 89.​

 

[webdog]

"Use 'breath prayers' throughout the day, as many Christians have done for centuries. You choose a brief sentence or a simple phrase that can be repeated to Jesus in one breath."
—Rick Warren, Purpose-Driven Life, p. 89.
​

And where is the repetition? Do you thank God for your food? How many different ways can you do this? You better quit...asking God's blessing on your food is vain repetition!

 

[Rufus_1611]

And where is the repetition? Do you thank God for your food? How many different ways can you do this? You better quit...asking God's blessing on your food is vain repetition!

"Use 'breath prayers' throughout the day, as many Christians have done for centuries. You choose a brief sentence or a simple phrase that can be repeated to Jesus in one breath."
—Rick Warren, Purpose-Driven Life, p. 89.​

Rep`e*ti"tion (r?p`?-t?sh"?n), n. [L. repetitio: cf. F. répétition. See Repeat.]

1. The act of repeating; a doing or saying again; iteration.

(Source: Webster's 1913)​

 

[Rufus_1611]

No sweat?

The Bible does not say that people sweat either.

Genesis 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Ezekiel 44:18
They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.

Luke 22:44
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

 

[webdog]

Do you ask God's blessing on your food or not?

 

[Rufus_1611]

Do you ask God's blessing on your food or not?

Yes, I ask for the Lord's blessing on my families' food.

 

[webdog]

...and how is that not "vain repetition"?

 

[Rufus_1611]

...and how is that not "vain repetition"?

I do not take a sentence or phrase and repeat it the way New Age Mediums, Buddhists and Rick Warren advocate.

 

[av1611jim]

I do not take a sentence or phrase and repeat it the way New Age Mediums, Buddhists and Rick Warren advocate.

Give it up brother. Webdog doesn't appear to be interested in dialogue. He's just looking to stir up strife.

Pr 26:4
¶ Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.:BangHead:

 

[Rufus_1611]

Give it up brother. Webdog doesn't appear to be interested in dialogue. He's just looking to stir up strife.

Pr 26:4
¶ Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.:BangHead:

I accept your wise counsel.

 

[gb93433]

Yes, I ask for the Lord's blessing on my families' food.

About 2/3 of Americans are fat. Most of them are in the south where there is the greatest concentration of Baptists. Is that a blessing or a curse?

 

[Rufus_1611]

About 2/3 of Americans are fat. Most of them are in the south where there is the greatest concentration of Baptists. Is that a blessing or a curse?

Most people like peanut butter accept for grandma...she drives a Buick.

 

[webdog]

Give it up brother. Webdog doesn't appear to be interested in dialogue. He's just looking to stir up strife.

Pr 26:4
¶ Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.:BangHead:

You do not know my intentions...so do not call me a fool.

Rick Warren doesn't advocate vain repetition of a single word or phrase over and over as he is wrongly accused. The key word is "vain". I thank God constantly for my wife and son...even the day in itself. Am I doing this "vainly"? He is advocating constant prayer throughout the day....keeping an open line of communication open. Only a "fool" would not be able to see this, or would deliberately lie about another brother in Christ.