Warren & PDC In The News

[tinytim]

Maybe I don't holler when I preach. Maybe I don't wear a suit. Hawaiian shirt, anyone? Maybe my music differs from yours. Maybe my clientele looks different than yours.

God used an amazing variety of preachers over the years. There are biblical prophets who dwelled mostly on God's judgement. Others dwelled on His mercy. They're both right.

If God could use all types then, why not now? Jesus is still being preached as the Way...

And you still could be a fundamentalist even if you liked RW.
Why is it that so many fundamentalists have strayed from the true fundamentals and have included ridiculous qualifications to being a fundamentalist.... Like being a KJVO, slobbering, jumping, foaming at the mouth type. It is time we get back to showing love to people the way Christ did... But it seems that that word, "love" is a dirty word to a lot of people.

 

[Rufus_1611]

And you still could be a fundamentalist even if you liked RW.

True. You can be a fundamentalist and still like Rick Warren. However, as a fundamentalist, it doesn't sound as though Mr. Warren is going to like you.

"Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be 'one of the big enemies of the 21st century.' 'Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism - they're all motivated by fear. Fear of each other."
(Source: http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/living/religion/13573441.htm)​

And if you're a fundamentalist then Rick considers you to have a "legalistic, narrow view of Christianity."

"Today there really aren't that many Fundamentalists left; I don't know if you know that or not, but they are such a minority; there aren't that many Fundamentalists left in America ... Now the word 'fundamentalist' actually comes from a document in the 1920s called the Five Fundamentals of the Faith. And it is a very legalistic, narrow view of Christianity." Quote by Rick Warren, May 2005
(Source: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/rwfundamentalism.htm)​

If you're a fundamentalist it seems so odd that you would be so allied with someone who is so opposed to your views.

Why is it that so many fundamentalists have strayed from the true fundamentals and have included ridiculous qualifications to being a fundamentalist.... Like being a KJVO, slobbering, jumping, foaming at the mouth type.

You must know some crazy fundamentalists. I've never met any that hold to these criteria.

 

[tinytim]

You must know some crazy fundamentalists. I've never met any that hold to these criteria.

I invite you to visit central WV... You will find all kinds of crazy! :smilewinkgrin:

Come to think of it, that is where I was raised....hmmm... that can explain a lot.
:wavey: raying:
Seriously, because of this type of craziness is why I refuse to call my self a fundamentalist. I still believe in the original fundamentals that the term "fundamentalist" derived from... I believe them so much I would die for them, but because of the craziness, and adding unbiblical standards to the term "fundamentalist" I don't want to be called one. Now I wouldn't mind being called an Old Fashioned Fundamentalist, (OFF for short! :laugh: )

Maybe this is what Warren meant.
BTW, I don't agree with Warren either on every point, but having gone through the 40 days of purpose, I gained more insight to what he believed.

Just a couple months ago, I was going through some old SBC discipleship training material from the 70s... Guess what I found.

Lessons that taught that the purpose of the church was Worship, Evangelism, Fellowship, Ministry, and Discipleship. Musta been what RW used to come up with his views.

 

[meandmykjv]

Is there any reason, other than our own biased imaginations, not to suppose that there were first century Christians who did not lead others to Christ? First century Christians were people just like us, without the technology, who were subject to the same passions and failings that we are. Yes, I suppose some first century Christians did not lead others to Christ. Why should they be different?

I agree I am sure there were many who did not lead anyone to Christ, especially with the persecution you see some endured, the role of woman back then, technology being different, woman out on a farm for example, some lived very seclusive lives I would think. I guess when some woman would meet at the well, they could share Christ with the others there. But, also, who says just because you share you lead someone to Christ , to begin with?

 

[bound]

Rick Warren is quoted as saying that the enemies of the 21st century is fundamentalism regardless of whether it is Muslim based or Christian based and he calls the five fundamentals of the faith "narrow" and "legalistic". Warren also promotes New Age repetitive breath prayers which matches up with his promotion of the New Age Message and there are not too many degrees of separation between Warren and Lucis Trust.

I'm not really looking for a fight here but it is a bit surprising to find folks supporting Mr. Warren in a "Fundamental Baptist Forum". As someone rightly stated in this thread...Warren is a wolf.

You are aware that 'repetitive breath prayers' such as Hesychism out-date the New Age Movement by 1000's of years. Prayers like the "Jesus Prayer" have 'nothing-to-do' with the New Age Movement.

I don't know much about Rick Warren but I do know a small amount about Christian Culture and Tradition throughout the world and you are revealing your ignorance of it with you association of such things with New Age.

 

[MatthewDiscipleOfGod]

You are aware that 'repetitive breath prayers' such as Hesychism out-date the New Age Movement by 1000's of years. Prayers like the "Jesus Prayer" have 'nothing-to-do' with the New Age Movement.

I don't know much about Rick Warren but I do know a small amount about Christian Culture and Tradition throughout the world and you are revealing your ignorance of it with you association of such things with New Age.

Matthew 6:7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

 

[bound]

Matthew 6:7 And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.

Which greek word in this verse is 'vain repetition' used to translate? Would you also hold that we should 'only' pray in Closets? Are 'all' who pray in the streets hypocrites? I believe using this to rule out earlier prayer traditions is very questionable.

 

[rbell]

Jesus doesn't condemn repetitions. He condemns "vain" repetitions.

This condemnation can't be split into two parts.

 

[bound]

Jesus doesn't condemn repetitions. He condemns "vain" repetitions.

This condemnation can't be split into two parts.

Exactly! I don't know how many times I heard my grandmother walking around the house saying "Thank you Jesus". Over and over throughout the day and night for different things and to think that some would believe this kind of 'awareness of the divine' is comdemned is just crazy.