Warren waver on Prop 8 stuns leaders

[annsni]

Why would a church leader have sodomite friends and be so braggadocious about it? We try to discourage our kids from having the wrong kind of friends, but now here is the "New Billy Graham" bragging about his sodomite friends.

Roy

I'll say it before and I'll say it again - what is the difference between a sodomite friend and a gluttonous friend? A friend who is quietly into pornography? A friend who cheated on his taxes? Why is homosexuality a greater scarlett letter than any other sin?

He knows gay people. He is friends with them. One doesn't always mean intimate, close friends when one say friends. Read my earlier post above.

And who says he so "braggadocious" about it? He stated that he spoke to his gay friends. What's the big deal?

Man, next thing you know, he'll be crucified for eating corn pops instead of something healthy!

 

[thegospelgeek]

Why would a church leader have sodomite friends and be so braggadocious about it? We try to discourage our kids from having the wrong kind of friends, but now here is the "New Billy Graham" bragging about his sodomite friends.

Roy

You have no friends who are lost??? Who do you witness to? Doesn't that make fulfilling the Great commision kinda difficult?

 

[webdog]

You have no friends who are lost??? Who do you witness to? Doesn't that make fulfilling the Great commision kinda difficult?

Agreed. Jesus was called the Friend of Sinners for a reason...

 

[Olivencia]

Rick Warren dilutes the commands of the New Covenant. He caters to those mentioned in 1 John 4:5 and speaks to them accordingly.
Christ was primarily sent to the Jewish nation who had at least knowledge of YHWH. The Apostle Paul commands us to separate ourselves. Furthermore there is a difference between having friends with people who sin but at least try to renounce it as opposed to people who sin and say "Who cares. I do what I want so I ain't changing."

 

[Roy]

I'll say it before and I'll say it again - what is the difference between a sodomite friend and a gluttonous friend? A friend who is quietly into pornography? A friend who cheated on his taxes? Why is homosexuality a greater scarlett letter than any other sin?

And who says he so "braggadocios" about it? He stated that he spoke to his gay friends. What's the big deal?

Gluttonous people generally have a desire to change, especially if they are fat. Tax cheats, porn addicts, and most other shady characters usually keep their acts in the closet which is where sodomite behavior belongs. By engaging openly in friendships with known homosexuals, Christians are giving a tacit nod to that behavior.

Please consider this also: homosexuals can reproduce only through recruitment. They may want to recruit family members or young people in your own church.

Rick Warren is trying to be a crowd pleaser and not a spiritual leader by making public the fact that he maintains friendships within the sodomite community. Since he saw fit to make it known to the entire country that he felt the need to apologize to his "gay" friends for having appeared to support Proposition 8, I would say that it was being braggadocios.

Roy

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't really know what RW's goal is for the homosexual community. I suspect he is working to find that thin line between loving the sinner but hating the sin. Maybe he doesn't always articulate it well. But I do not think that leads to condoning their lifestyle.

I would no doubt befriends with a homosexual. But there would be boundaries that would be different from other friends. I think the high profile status of RW outs him in a much more difficult situation than the average Christian.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

I think the high profile status of RW outs him in a much more difficult situation than the average Christian.

Good choice of words.....

 

[Revmitchell]

Good choice of words.....

It was a typo it should have read "puts him"

 

[webdog]

Rick Warren dilutes the commands of the New Covenant. He caters to those mentioned in 1 John 4:5 and speaks to them accordingly.
Christ was primarily sent to the Jewish nation who had at least knowledge of YHWH. The Apostle Paul commands us to separate ourselves. Furthermore there is a difference between having friends with people who sin but at least try to renounce it as opposed to people who sin and say "Who cares. I do what I want so I ain't changing."

Pure opinion, and it would really help to take Paul's words in context. Please provide the scriptural support that Christ was only friends with sinners who "at least tried to renounce it".

 

[Servent]

Gluttonous people generally have a desire to change, especially if they are fat. Tax cheats, porn addicts, and most other shady characters usually keep their acts in the closet which is where sodomite behavior belongs. By engaging openly in friendships with known homosexuals, Christians are giving a tacit nod to that behavior.

Please consider this also: homosexuals can reproduce only through recruitment. They may want to recruit family members or young people in your own church.

Rick Warren is trying to be a crowd pleaser and not a spiritual leader by making public the fact that he maintains friendships within the sodomite community. Since he saw fit to make it known to the entire country that he felt the need to apologize to his "gay" friends for having appeared to support Proposition 8, I would say that it was being braggadocios.

Roy

I say until you become God and know what is in Pastor Warren heart or anyone heart for that matter, you should remain silent.

 

[webdog]

Gluttonous people generally have a desire to change, especially if they are fat. Tax cheats, porn addicts, and most other shady characters usually keep their acts in the closet which is where sodomite behavior belongs. By engaging openly in friendships with known homosexuals, Christians are giving a tacit nod to that behavior.

What legalistic poppy cock!

Please consider this also: homosexuals can reproduce only through recruitment. They may want to recruit family members or young people in your own church.

Yeah...they are a known cult for trying to recruit heterosexuals in churches

Rick Warren is trying to be a crowd pleaser and not a spiritual leader by making public the fact that he maintains friendships within the sodomite community. Since he saw fit to make it known to the entire country that he felt the need to apologize to his "gay" friends for having appeared to support Proposition 8, I would say that it was being braggadocios.

When is your apology forthcoming for accusing him falsely?

 

[ShotGunWillie]

It was a typo it should have read "puts him"

I thought you might be onto something.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Pure opinion, and it would really help to take Paul's words in context. Please provide the scriptural support that Christ was only friends with sinners who "at least tried to renounce it".

Sin no more.....

After Christ met with sinners, adulterers, cheaters, the greedy, possessed by demons, and so forth, He commanded them to sin no more. When those sinners met with Christ, they repented of their sins and left Him CHANGED. They didn't continue on and He did not state "Consider not doing that any longer, for your heavenly father would like it better if you did not partake in your sin as often as you do, perhaps you should not be living in that sin every day, maybe every other day, or just every once in a while".

Also, Christ really didn't just go and hang out with them, did he? Christ wasn't chill'n with Zacchaeus for dinner and then just say, "Hey man, you really shouldn't be cheating people and you might want to give some of that back", He went there with a purpose.

So this being friends with homos and the like, is really, once again, misleading people about Christ. Christ was not "friends" with sinners in the way in which it is being represented. Show me where Christ hung out with people living in scripture for an extended period of time. And show me in scripture where the person living in sin continued to do so even after their first meeting.

 

[webdog]

After Christ met with sinners, adulterers, cheaters, the greedy, possessed by demons, and so forth, He commanded them to sin no more. When those sinners met with Christ, they repented of their sins and left Him CHANGED. They didn't continue on and He did not state "Consider not doing that any longer, for your heavenly father would like it better if you did not partake in your sin as often as you do, perhaps you should not be living in that sin every day, maybe every other day, or just every once in a while".

Is this what He did with Judas, the "son of perdition"? He was pretty close to him, no?

Also, Christ really didn't just go and hang out with them, did he? Christ wasn't chill'n with Zacchaeus for dinner and then just say, "Hey man, you really shouldn't be cheating people and you might want to give some of that back", He went there with a purpose.

Judas?

So this being friends with homos and the like, is really, once again, misleading people about Christ. Christ was not "friends" with sinners in the way in which it is being represented. Show me where Christ hung out with people living in scripture for an extended period of time. And show me in scripture where the person living in sin continued to do so even after their first meeting.

"...and one of you is the devil"

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Is this what He did with Judas, the "son of perdition"? He was pretty close to him, no?
Judas?

"...and one of you is the devil"

Nice try, from the outside looking in, could the other 11 tell who was the sinner and who was not? Judas was not openly living in sin. If I am not mistaken some of the other disciples asked, "Is is me Lord?" If Judas was throwing his sin around, wouldn't they have said, "It's him Lord"

 

[ShotGunWillie]

Is this what He did with Judas, the "son of perdition"? He was pretty close to him, no?
Judas?

"...and one of you is the devil"

Perhaps Judas was left in his position to prove a point to "pew sitters" and those who believe just because you appear to be a godly man, doesn't mean you are.

That is a bad example, but brings up a wonderful point. Judas was not living in sin, therefore no one knew about his ways until after the curtain of his heart was pulled back. The others didn't know, that's the point.

Christ didn't hang out with sinners and they weren't His friends.

 

[webdog]

Nice try, from the outside looking in, could the other 11 tell who was the sinner and who was not? Judas was not openly living in sin. If I am not mistaken some of the other disciples asked, "Is is me Lord?" If Judas was throwing his sin around, wouldn't they have said, "It's him Lord"

I thought we were speaking of "known" sin...and since Christ is omnipotent...

That is a bad example, but brings up a wonderful point. Judas was not living in sin, therefore no one knew about his ways until after the curtain of his heart was pulled back. The others didn't know, that's the point.

I can't remember which Gospel it's recorded in, but Judas was indeed living in sin, even though he hid it from the others. Christ knew, btw, and was still his friend.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

I thought we were speaking of "known" sin...and since Christ is omnipotent...

Known to whom?? No one but Christ and Judas knew Judas' heart.

Christ knew the Judas would betray Him, quit grasping at straws.

Those who are openly sinners that Christ went around, they repented and had a change of heart. Judas on the other hand was and is a different subject, he was outwardly good and holy, who did the same as the others by way of healing and so forth, BUT on the inside there was no change.

Christ didn't say, you sinners, your my friends, even though we disagree on your lifestyle we, you and me, we're tight.

Nope, we are told to be in the world because we have to be, but be apart from the world because we are called to. Those who love the world will hate us because we love Christ, because they hated Him first. No where in scripture are we called to be friends with those who live in sin.

 

[ShotGunWillie]

I thought we were speaking of "known" sin...and since Christ is omnipotent...
I can't remember which Gospel it's recorded in, but Judas was indeed living in sin, even though he hid it from the others. Christ knew, btw, and was still his friend.

HE WAS NOT OPENLY LIVING IN SIN. THAT IS THE POINT!!!

What part of that don't you understand?

RW claims he's got gay friends, okay, so he knows their gay, they know they are gay and obviously others know they are gay. If they were not openly living in sin, then RW wouldn't know unless he was counselling them and that is a different matter AND that would not be openly living in sin. It wouldn't be a friendship either. Judas, didn't know Christ knew, he was a tad shocked, wouldn't you say.

Christ changed the hearts of those He came into contact with, He is the great deliver, the great physician, He healed the lame both body and soul. The sick spiritually came to Him and He delivered them from bondage. He didn't hang out with them, Christ wasn't cool like some of you believe, He didn't kick it with them.

 

[webdog]

Those who are openly sinners that Christ went around, they repented and had a change of heart.

...yet you claim only Christ and the person know the heart. You cannot prove that every person Christ was friends with repented and had a change of heart because one of his closest (Judas) never did.