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Wars and rumors of war...

Covenanter

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Yes - Ismael trying to destroy Isaac.

I wouldn't say that - I don't think the Palestinians represent "Jerusalem above" but they are an oppressed people who are being systematically forced off their land by an nation that calls itself "Israel."

See Galatians 4.
 

HankD

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I wouldn't say that - I don't think the Palestinians represent "Jerusalem above" but they are an oppressed people who are being systematically forced off their land by an nation that calls itself "Israel."

See Galatians 4.

Please elaborate on your statement .. 'by an nation that calls itself "Israel." '.
 

Covenanter

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Please elaborate on your statement .. 'by an nation that calls itself "Israel." '.

European Jews (Ashkenazis) were severely persecuted by Russia, Germany & other European countries. After WW2, the country of Palestine, newly liberated from the Turkish (Ottoman) empire & under British mandate, was partitioned as a homeland for the Jews.

The understanding according to the "Balfour Declaration" was that the rights of the indigenous people would not be violated. However vast numbers of Palestinians, Muslim & Christian have been & are being displaced without mercy. Their livelihoods, farmland, homes, water supply, olive trees are all being destroyed or taken over.

Some Christians believe that that event was OC prophecy being fulfilled & that the Jewish state should recognised as "Israel" & be recognised as the "promised land" inhabited by the physical descendants of Abraham as a "holy nation. "We have to bless them so we will be blessed." They say Palestinians should get out.

Such reasoning is a rejection of the fulfilment of OC prophecy by Jesus & the Gospel Church formed when many thousands of Jews repented at Pentecost & after. True Israel continued as the Church, initially formed only with Jews, but after a few years Gentile become Christians also without becoming Jews. The physical nation of Israel was brought to an end in AD 70.

If Scripture has anything to say then this is relevant -
Ezek 47:21 ‘You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,’ declares the Sovereign Lord.
 

HankD

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European Jews (Ashkenazis) were severely persecuted by Russia, Germany & other European countries. After WW2, the country of Palestine, newly liberated from the Turkish (Ottoman) empire & under British mandate, was partitioned as a homeland for the Jews.

The understanding according to the "Balfour Declaration" was that the rights of the indigenous people would not be violated. However vast numbers of Palestinians, Muslim & Christian have been & are being displaced without mercy. Their livelihoods, farmland, homes, water supply, olive trees are all being destroyed or taken over.

Some Christians believe that that event was OC prophecy being fulfilled & that the Jewish state should recognised as "Israel" & be recognised as the "promised land" inhabited by the physical descendants of Abraham as a "holy nation. "We have to bless them so we will be blessed." They say Palestinians should get out.

Such reasoning is a rejection of the fulfilment of OC prophecy by Jesus & the Gospel Church formed when many thousands of Jews repented at Pentecost & after. True Israel continued as the Church, initially formed only with Jews, but after a few years Gentile become Christians also without becoming Jews. The physical nation of Israel was brought to an end in AD 70.

If Scripture has anything to say then this is relevant -
Ezek 47:21 ‘You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22 You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the foreigners residing among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23 In whatever tribe a foreigner resides, there you are to give them their inheritance,’ declares the Sovereign Lord.
I believe this is an erroneous historical view. Also the Ezekiel passage does not cover Israel's right to defend itself.
David went to war with God's blessing.

However I respect your view and I understand that atrocities and criminal retribution has been committed by both Jews and Palestinians.
The worst atrocity is the screams of the little ones of both sides which bring tears to my eyes.
In reality it is difficult to assign blame.

But on one thing I am sure of which we can agree - to pray for peace.
 

Revmitchell

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I wouldn't say that - I don't think the Palestinians represent "Jerusalem above" but they are an oppressed people who are being systematically forced off their land by an nation that calls itself "Israel."

See Galatians 4.

Nothing about this post is true or within the boundaries of reality.
 

Deacon

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Hamas is funded by Iran, sources say they have built up a sizable arsenal.
Iran is currently having political and economic difficulties.
Hamas is also having political and economic difficulties with significantly reduced funding from the U.S. under President Trump and other European allies.

Maintaining the status quo will reduce their power among their populous
Their only options are war or peace...

Rob
 

HankD

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IMO once Iran has sufficient funding war is inevitable, however they need some kind of alliance for support.

Probably Putin, Jinping, Jong-un for starters.

Don't trust Russia, China or No. Korea.
Putin has the military inventory, Jinping the cash (extorted from us), Jong-un the technology.
Personally - China is our greatest enemy then Russia, No Korea.
China because she has stolen our secrets not Russia although Russia has wanted our secrets and hated us forever.

Some event has to bring them together. I believe the Trump presidency has them VERY VERY concerned.

Why Israel is so important a key.
Politically speaking Israel is our greatest ally and is the most centrally located geographical eastern loci in the equation of a USA World War.
Israel will give us WHATEVER we ask for in terms of, yes even near occupation, when WWIII begins. War sites (aircraft, missiles, bombs) whatever wherever we want/need.

My opinion of course.
 

Covenanter

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Hamas is funded by Iran, sources say they have built up a sizable arsenal.
Iran is currently having political and economic difficulties.
Hamas is also having political and economic difficulties with significantly reduced funding from the U.S. under President Trump and other European allies.

Maintaining the status quo will reduce their power among their populous
Their only options are war or peace...

Rob

If Hamas has a "sizable arsenal" it's not very effective against Israel's overwhelming arsenal. Using peashooters as an act of defiance - fireworks that Israelis turn out to watch.

It's a war against civilians & their essential infrastructure.

The Israeli newspapers acknowledge this.
 

Covenanter

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Not Hiroshima - this is Gaza, where 50% of the population are under 18 & have only known the siege situation.

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HankD

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I can assure everyone that one can cherry pick through any series of war pictures, caption and fabricate a case for either side.

The truth is that you have already made up your mind.

Israel is our ally, that is one undeniable fact.
 
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carpro

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The Brits here are living up to their anti Israel reputation. Still nursing old wounds.

Oh, well. I think Israel is being far too kind to the murderous palestinian terrorists that continually attack them. When they respond to the attacks, it's called "genocide" by the Jew haters.

And that, my friends, is a bunch of hooey.
 

HankD

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I can't seem to feel a great deal of affection for ISIS folk who want my head on a platter.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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IMO once Iran has sufficient funding war is inevitable, however they need some kind of alliance for support.

Probably Putin, Jinping, Jong-un for starters.

Don't trust Russia, China or No. Korea.
Putin has the military inventory, Jinping the cash (extorted from us), Jong-un the technology.
Personally - China is our greatest enemy then Russia, No Korea.
China because she has stolen our secrets not Russia although Russia has wanted our secrets and hated us forever.

Some event has to bring them together. I believe the Trump presidency has them VERY VERY concerned.

Why Israel is so important a key.
Politically speaking Israel is our greatest ally and is the most centrally located geographical eastern loci in the equation of a USA World War.
Israel will give us WHATEVER we ask for in terms of, yes even near occupation, when WWIII begins. War sites (aircraft, missiles, bombs) whatever wherever we want/need.

My opinion of course.
And so who will be the protagonists?
 
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