Was Abraham justified(declared righteous) whilst in the flesh?

[percho]

I went to bed but got back up to ask each of you, your thoughts.

And before the coming of the faith, under law we were being kept, shut up to the faith about to be revealed, so that the law became our child-conductor -- to Christ, that by faith we may be declared righteous, and the faith having come, no more under a child-conductor are we, Gal 3:23-25 YLT

What was, "the faith," that was revealed that was relative to our being declared righteous, justified, and what revealed,"the faith"?
Was that the very same,"faith," that declared Abraham righteous, justified Abraham?

For those of you who may prefer: NASB But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a [fn] tutor.

 

[SovereignGrace]

"Before the coming of this faith,[j]we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."[NIV]

The footnote for [j] is Or through the faithfulness of Jesus

That is why Paul was bashing ppl who desired to have others back under the Law's authority. There was no faith in the Law as there was no justification under the Law.

Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[Galatians 3:11,12]

Those under the Law had to keep it or else. It was 'do or die'. When Christ came and fulfilled the Law, whatever He did for His ppl, they get imputed with it, they get counted for it, they get credited with it. When Christ died, His ppl died. When He rose again, they rose again. That is why God could count Abraham's faith for righteousness, because of the surety of the cross of Christ. We have been imputed with the faith of Christ, which justifies us.

 

[percho]

"Before the coming of this faith,[j]we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian."[NIV]

The footnote for [j] is Or through the faithfulness of Jesus

That is why Paul was bashing ppl who desired to have others back under the Law's authority. There was no faith in the Law as there was no justification under the Law.

Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith. The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[Galatians 3:11,12]

Those under the Law had to keep it or else. It was 'do or die'. When Christ came and fulfilled the Law, whatever He did for His ppl, they get imputed with it, they get counted for it, they get credited with it. When Christ died, His ppl died. When He rose again, they rose again. That is why God could count Abraham's faith for righteousness, because of the surety of the cross of Christ. We have been imputed with the faith of Christ, which justifies us.

Would it be correct to say that the resurrection of Jesus is the revealing of the promise of God? The hope of eternal life, life in flesh incorruptible? Life and incorruptibility? The substance of that hoped for, the evidence of that not before seen?

Isn't the resurrected Jesus the revealed, Faith?

Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. Gal 3:19-21

That the one for whom the promise was made, received the promise? Abraham died in faith not receiving the promise. Abraham's seed, Jesus the Christ also died but God the Father raised him from the dead. That is he received the promise, life.

 

[alphaomega]

this is one of those times where what the gospel is bringing out is missed
this is the old faith vs faith and works argument
in this case both Paul and James missed the need of what Jesus did
no one gets to heaven except thru the son ; and the world had to wait for the son to do what he did
Paul's argument of being justified by faith ( for Abraham) is implying there was a way without what Jesus did whereas James view implies what Abraham did was the way
HOWEVER ; in the gospels; Jesus says the way is to follow him

 

[The Biblicist]

this is one of those times where what the gospel is bringing out is missed
this is the old faith vs faith and works argument
in this case both Paul and James missed the need of what Jesus did
no one gets to heaven except thru the son ; and the world had to wait for the son to do what he did
Paul's argument of being justified by faith ( for Abraham) is implying there was a way without what Jesus did whereas James view implies what Abraham did was the way
HOWEVER ; in the gospels; Jesus says the way is to follow him

Acts 10:43 and Hebrews 4:2 and Acts 26:22-23 all declare that Christ was the way preached from Genesis to Matthew as the predictive gospel,thus all Old Testament saints looked forward by faith to Christ as we look back but the same Christ, the same essential gospel. We have a fuller gospel in the sense of all the details revealed but they had the substantial gospel. Paul says his gospel was "according to the Scriptures" (1 Cor. 15:4-5) the Old Testament Scriptures.

Before the cross, before Pentecost, Jesus declared himself to be the only way to the Father (Jn. 14:6). He declared there were but two types of people on two types of ways (Mt. 7:13-14).

Abraham was saved by faith "in Christ" (Gal. 3:6-8, 17 "in Christ").

Paul says that Abraham is the "father" of "all who are of faith" including the list in Hebrews 11 that begins with Abel to you and me.

The human PROBLEM has always been the same since Genesis 3 and the SOLUTION has always been the same since Genesis 3:15 as Christ is the lamb slain "from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8). The problem is spiritual SEPARATION (death) from God and the only possible solution is spiritual UNION (life) with God. All human beings are either "in Adam" (and thus "in the flesh" because they are "born of the flesh") OR they are "in Christ" (and thus "in the Spirit" because they are "born of the Spirit" or "they are none of his" (Rom. 8:8-9). There is no third class of human being neither "in Adam" nor "in Christ" or neither "lost" nor "saved" or neither "in the flesh" nor "in the Spirit" or neither in the kingdom of Satan nor in the kingdom of God, or neither in the family of Satan nor in the family of God. No such third category exists.

There is no salvation for anyone at anytime or anyplace OUTSIDE of Christ. Isaiah presented the ESSENTIAL SUBSTANCE of the gospel as clear as any preacher today (Isa. 53).

 

[JonShaff]

this is one of those times where what the gospel is bringing out is missed
this is the old faith vs faith and works argument
in this case both Paul and James missed the need of what Jesus did
no one gets to heaven except thru the son ; and the world had to wait for the son to do what he did
Paul's argument of being justified by faith ( for Abraham) is implying there was a way without what Jesus did whereas James view implies what Abraham did was the way
HOWEVER ; in the gospels; Jesus says the way is to follow him

Are you pitting scripture against scripture?

 

[Yeshua1]

Acts 10:43 and Hebrews 4:2 and Acts 26:22-23 all declare that Christ was the way preached from Genesis to Matthew as the predictive gospel,thus all Old Testament saints looked forward by faith to Christ as we look back but the same Christ, the same essential gospel. We have a fuller gospel in the sense of all the details revealed but they had the substantial gospel. Paul says his gospel was "according to the Scriptures" (1 Cor. 15:4-5) the Old Testament Scriptures.

Before the cross, before Pentecost, Jesus declared himself to be the only way to the Father (Jn. 14:6). He declared there were but two types of people on two types of ways (Mt. 7:13-14).

Abraham was saved by faith "in Christ" (Gal. 3:6-8, 17 "in Christ").

Paul says that Abraham is the "father" of "all who are of faith" including the list in Hebrews 11 that begins with Abel to you and me.

The human PROBLEM has always been the same since Genesis 3 and the SOLUTION has always been the same since Genesis 3:15 as Christ is the lamb slain "from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8). The problem is spiritual SEPARATION (death) from God and the only possible solution is spiritual UNION (life) with God. All human beings are either "in Adam" (and thus "in the flesh" because they are "born of the flesh") OR they are "in Christ" (and thus "in the Spirit" because they are "born of the Spirit" or "they are none of his" (Rom. 8:8-9). There is no third class of human being neither "in Adam" nor "in Christ" or neither "lost" nor "saved" or neither "in the flesh" nor "in the Spirit" or neither in the kingdom of Satan nor in the kingdom of God, or neither in the family of Satan nor in the family of God. No such third category exists.

There is no salvation for anyone at anytime or anyplace OUTSIDE of Christ. Isaiah presented the ESSENTIAL SUBSTANCE of the gospel as clear as any preacher today (Isa. 53).

There was a difference though in how the Spirit operated among His people, as He instituted a new working in that at Pentacost!

 

[The Biblicist]

There was a difference though in how the Spirit operated among His people, as He instituted a new working in that at Pentacost!

Nobody denies that! I agree with that. The issue between us is how it is defined. He indwelt a new institution "the house of God." He introduced new spiritual gifts among his people. He empowered them to further salvation to the Gentiles. He inspired some to produce NT Scripture. However, he did not introduce a new kind of salvation as there is no salvation OUTSIDE of Christ for anyone at anytime, anywhere before or after Pentecost. However, that is what you are teaching, a new kind of salvation "in Christ" on Pentecost.