Was Bible possesion banned by the Catholic Church?

[37818]

Because those very documents that YOU claim are our "SOLE" Authority insist that Christ's CHURCH is our final earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 8:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

None of those pasaages places the church over God's written word, as you have been indoctrinated to imagine.
Matthew 4:4, ". . . Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. . . ."
You gave me a rant and list.

 

[37818]

You completely missed the point James was making about the demons - and what constitutes FAITH as opposed to mere "belief".

James made the comparison to the demons and "belief" (James 2:19) to show that faith is MUCH more than that.
True faith = Belief + Works (obedience).
He goes onto explain that you cannot have one element and still have true faith (James 2:14-26).

You do not understand James' teaching on justification by works. James did not deny Abraham being justified by faith prior to his works, James 2:23, ". . . the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: . . ." Genesis 15:6. Years later by his works, Genesis 22:12, James 2:21.

 

[37818]

Because those very documents that YOU claim are our "SOLE" Authority insist that Christ's CHURCH is our final earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 8:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

You STILL haven't shown me where the Bible states that the BIBLE is our "sole" Authority . . .

You made that accusation because I argued the New Testament is the sole Apostolic authority. Which cannot be refuted. I do believe the Bible is the sole written word of God.

 

[37818]

Once again - you fail to understand just WHAT Christ's Church is.

All genuine Christians are Christ's church.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Consider:

 

[37818]

Consider:

A nearly 3 hour video. I do not have time for that here.
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[MarysSon]

All genuine Christians are Christ's church.

Nope.

Protestants are "genuine" Christians because they have professed Christ and have been Baptized.
They are, however, self-separated from the ONE Church built by Christ and in need of return.

 

[MarysSon]

You made that accusation because I argued the New Testament is the sole Apostolic authority. Which cannot be refuted. I do believe the Bible is the sole written word of God.

WRONG.

I have refuted it several times using Scripture itself. What YOU have failed to do is prove that Scripture is our "sole" Authority.
I have given you every opportunity to do so to NO avail . . .

 

[MarysSon]

You do not understand James' teaching on justification by works. James did not deny Abraham being justified by faith prior to his works, James 2:23, ". . . the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: . . ." Genesis 15:6. Years later by his works, Genesis 22:12, James 2:21.

I understand fully that James was telling his readers that belief is NOT faith.
Belief is merely ONE component of faith - of which works/obedience is the other.

His conclusion is that there is NO faith without works - even if you "believe."
Paul also drives this point home in 1 Cor 13:1-13, stating that NOTHING matters without love - which is OUR cooperation with faith. He reiterates this in Gal. 5:6.

 

[MarysSon]

None of those pasaages places the church over God's written word, as you have been indoctrinated to imagine.
Matthew 4:4, ". . . Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. . . ."
You gave me a rant and list.

And NOBODY is placing the Church "above" the Word of God. That is simply another anti-Catholic lie.
God's Word IS Authoritative. However - the written Word is NOT our "sole" Authority - NOR does it claim to be.

The written Word states emphatically that the Church is our FINAL earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

You have YET to show that the Bible is our "sole" Authority - from the Bible itself . . .

 

[MarysSon]

A nearly 3 hour video. I do not have time for that here.
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And a nearly 3-hour anti-Catholic waste of time . . .

 

[37818]

I understand fully that James was telling his readers that belief is NOT faith.

In the Greek it is the same word. Now there is a difference between faith and the faith, Jude 1:3.

 

[37818]

And NOBODY is placing the Church "above" the Word of God. That is simply another anti-Catholic lie.
God's Word IS Authoritative. However - the written Word is NOT our "sole" Authority - NOR does it claim to be.

The written Word states emphatically that the Church is our FINAL earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

You have YET to show that the Bible is our "sole" Authority - from the Bible itself . . .

Your denial does not make the sole authentic Apostalic authority of the New Testament not.

 

[37818]

Luke 10:16, ". . . He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. . . ."

The New Testament being the sole Apostolic authotity to His church.

 

[Walpole]

Luke 10:16, ". . . He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. . . ."

What Jesus said ---> "He that HEARETH you..."

What Jesus DID NOT say ---> "He that READETH you..."

Hearing necessitates the auditory. Ergo, the word is of God is not confined to the written.

Another strike against the Protestant doctrine of sola Scriptura.

The New Testament being the sole Apostolic authotity to His church.

You have it completely backwards. The Gospels did not start the Church. Rather, the Church started the Gospels. The Church did not come out of the Gospels. Rather, the Gospels came out of the Church. The Church preceded the New Testament. The early Christians did not come to believe in Jesus because the Gospels recount the story of Him. Rather, the early Christians wrote down the stories of Jesus because they already believed in it. The Church already believed and her members set down much of these beliefs and traditions in what we call the Gospels.

Read —-> Luke 1:1-4

 

[37818]

WRONG.

I have refuted it several times using Scripture itself. What YOU have failed to do is prove that Scripture is our "sole" Authority.
I have given you every opportunity to do so to NO avail . . .

In your mind. A mere denial with Bible verses does not refute the New Testament being the sole Apostolic authority to the churches. LOL and use it in an attempt to refute what it is.

 

[Alofa Atu]

And a nearly 3-hour anti-Catholic waste of time . . .

Anti-Catholicism is not Anti-Catholic. And having viewed, did not find it any waste of time, but truly interesting.

 

[Alofa Atu]

A nearly 3 hour video. I do not have time for that here.
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Using the same logic and reasoning, people must look at their entire plate of food for breakfast, lunch or dinner and say I cannot eat all of that at once!, yet the whole time knowing that they will eat it, one bite at a time, over time. Why the differing scales?

 

[MarysSon]

In the Greek it is the same word. Now there is a difference between faith and the faith, Jude 1:3.

Yes, it IS the same word in the Greek - but NOT the same meaning.

A word can mean MORE than one thing, as in this case. We have the same kinds of words in English - they're called "homonyms". For example, "Bark" can mean the sound a dog makes - or the "outer layer" of a tree. The same is true for words like arm, serve, gross and rock.

This is why BOTH Paul (1 Cor. 13:1-13) and James (James 2:14-26) go on to explain what TRUE faith is - and it ain't simply "belief" . . .

 

[MarysSon]

Your denial does not make the sole authentic Apostalic authority of the New Testament not.

And YOUR lack of proof certainly doesn't bolster your position.

Why is it that you are unable to prove Sola Scriptura from Scripture??
Maybe because it's a FALSE doctrine, perhaps??