Featured Was Isaac Watts a Pre-Trib-Dispensationalist?

Walvoord, page391, Major Bible prophecies. Wallboard also teaches in Major Bible Prophecies that David will reign as coregent with Jesus Christ in the millennial kingdom. He writes [page 393]

May I say that Walvoord is one of the preeminent scholars in pre-trib-dispensationalism.

 

It seems to be beyond your comprehension that I am talking about the false doctrine of pre-trib-dispensationalism of which "blessedwife318" writes:{http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99519}

But live with it DHK!

 

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I still thank you for providing the link to Watts. I will bookmark it if I haven't already!

 

Gills commentary on 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Ver. 17. Then we which are alive and remain, &c.] see Gill on "1Th 4:15".

shall be caught up; suddenly, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, and with force and power; by the power of Christ, and by the ministry and means of the holy angels; and to which rapture will contribute, the agility which the bodies both of the raised and changed saints will have: and this rapture of the living saints will be

together with them; with the dead in Christ, that will then be raised; so that the one will not come before the other, or the one be sooner with Christ than the other; but the one being raised and the other changed, they will be joined in one company and general assembly, and be caught up together:

in the clouds; the same clouds perhaps in which Christ will come, will be let down to take them up; these will be the chariots, in which they will be carried up to him; and thus, as at our Lord's ascension a cloud received him, and in it he was carried up out of the sight of men, so at this time will all the saints ride up in the clouds of heaven:

to meet the Lord in the air; whither he will descend, and will then clear the regions of the air of Satan, and his posse of devils, which now rove about there, watching all opportunities, and taking all advantages to do mischief on earth; these shall then fall like lightning from heaven, and be bound and shut up in the bottomless pit, till the thousand years are ended: here Christ will stop, and will be visible to all, and as easily discerned by all, good and bad, as the body of the sun at noonday; as yet he will not descend on earth, because it is not fit to receive him; but when that and its works are burnt up, and it is purged and purified by fire, and become a new earth, he will descend upon it, and dwell with his saints in it: and this suggests another reason why he will stay in the air, and his saints shall meet him there, and whom he will take up with him into the third heaven, till the general conflagration and burning of the world is over, and to preserve them from it; and then shall all the elect of God descend from heaven as a bride adorned for her husband, and he with them, and the tabernacle of God shall be with men; see Re 21:1-3. The resurrection by the Mahometans is called hlla aql {q}, "a meeting of God", or a going to meet God:

and so shall we ever be with the Lord; now the saints are with him at times, and have communion with him, but not always; but then they shall be ever with him; wherever he is; first in the air, where they shall meet him; then in the third heaven, where they shall go up with him; then on earth, where they shall descend and reign with him a thousand years; and then in the ultimate glory to all eternity: and this will be the issue and accomplishment of the counsel and covenant of grace, of the sufferings and death of Christ, and of his preparations and prayers.

{q} Alkoran, Surat. 6. v. 31. p. 113. Ed. Hinckelman.

It is obvious from the above, to anyone who has not been irrevocably brainwashed, that Gill did not believe in a pre-trib "snatching away" of the Church. He believed in a millennial reign on a redeemed or New earth. Only the Church would dwell on this New earth. His comment:

is similar to what Peter talks about in 2 Peter 2:1-14. {http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99468}

 

As I recall you lump all who believe in the Doctrines of Sovereign Election and Grace into Calvinism and then attempt to link them to Augustine! Frankly I don't care. I can defend my beliefs from Scripture but the pre-trib-dispensational doctrine developed by Darby and popularized in this country by Scofield cannot. Furthermore, the doctrine that the Church is a parenthesis or intercalation in GOD's program for Israel, the natural consequence of pre-trib doctrine, is an affront to GOD!

Frankly the only thing most pre-trib-dispensationalists on this Forum want to talk about is the "snatching" away of the Church and accusing those who reject this doctrine of making a liar out of GOD, not believing the Bible, not studying the Bible, and borderline questioning their Salvation. I have been on this Forum 10+ years and that is the response of most pre-tribbers to the "Gentiles"! There are a few exceptions, HankD and blessedwife318. There was also one on the Board last summer who wanted to seriously discuss his views but I guess my remarks to some of the pre-tribbers turned him off!

 

Think what you will DHK. I have been verbally abused on this BB by you and pre-tribbers like DC for 10+ years. Have you handed out demerits to any of them?

I have always been very careful not to label pre-trib-dispensdationalism as heretical. I have called it false doctrine and labeled the doctrine of a "parenthesis" Church as blasphemous, a term Dr Bob has forbidden.

Furthermore, I have never said that Darby hit his head on a rock. I said he had a riding accident and early on thought he had been thrown. Turns out after further reading that apparently his leg was crushed between a post and the horse.

Pre-trib-dispensationalism has done nothing but splinter the evangelical churches in this country. My understanding is that it is far less successful in its country of origin. If it were not a false doctrine, conceived in a manner similar to Mormonism, Jehovah'd Witnesses, Christian Science, and the Seventh Day Adventist, that would be acceptable. But it is a false doctrine. There are many who follow that doctrine who insist that national Israel is still the chosen people of GOD, even those of Arminian persuasion. That false belief has influenced our foreign policy to a substantial degree. I have on many occasions said on this BB that I support the nation Israel, not for religious reasons, but because they are the lone democracy in the Middle East and because they are considered enemies by Islam.

So believe what you will about me DHK, I don't really care. I have let the attempted insults of the Rapture Ready people roll of my back since I have been a Christian in a sea of Rapture Ready folks. Those on this Forum who attempt to insult me are childish by comparison!