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Was Jesus a Sissy?

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Spinach

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Odd thread!

Two days ago I was talking to my boys about being angry and sinning not. I reminded them of the account where Jesus overturned the money changers' tables. By the time I was done with the story, my boys said in unison "Woah! Jesus is really cool!"

Also, who decides what is manly? You? Me? The definitions will vary.
 
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blackbird

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Spinach said:
Odd thread!

Two days ago I was talking to my boys about being angry and sinning not. I reminded them of the account where Jesus overturned the money changers' tables. By the time I was done with the story, my boys said in unison "Woah! Jesus is really cool!"

Also, who decides what is manly? You? Me? The definitions will vary.
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I heard a theologian describe the "Money Changer" incident---he went on to say that although Jesus did fashion the whip of cords---that He never struck a blow to any of the "Changers"---that His(Jesus') very presense with a whip in His hand---well---you ever see these rodeo's where there is a bull loose on the arena floor?? He(the bull) is running loose---he never touches anyone on the floor---everyone on the floor KNOWS the bull is not bluffing!!!---but yet everyone on the floor is getting out of the way----thats how I picture Jesus--a "bull" of a man with a whip in His hand on the arena floor---able to clear the Temple without touching anyone with that whip!!
 
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Aaron

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padredurand said:
Jesus had these attributes because of His divinity. We possess them because of the Spirit.
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There have been many courageous and virtuous men who were non-Christians. All I'm asking is, what are the manly qualities brought into play in the kind of hunting Roosevelt did and what you do?

If your assertion is correct then the attributes found in the hunter will be immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these.
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What is my assertion?

During his presidency, Roosevelt established the National Park Service, pressured states to enact strict regulations on hunting and was the first president to press for a nationalized health care system. He is known, besides his status as a Rough Rider, as a kind, compassionate man who doted on his wife and children, loved animals and hunted many species of wildlife.
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Irrelevant. How does hunting display your manly qualities?

Perfect in what way? I noticed you didn't list absurd, pretentious, grandiose or audacious in your list of admirable traits.
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Put away your thesaurus and read the O.P. One of your defenders suggested that those who buy their food are sissies, and you did not correct him. I'm forced to conclude that you may agree.

But now that your digs are out of the way, can you simply answer the question? What manly qualities are brought into play in hunting? Just list them please.
 
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Aaron

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Oh what the heck. I'm tired of this dance. Let's just cut to the chase.

What Roosevelt thought was satisfying was seeing a beautiful trophy elk lying dead of the bullet that he put into it. Now in his day, hunting probably took a little more skill than it does today, but still, there is no courage in taking your prey—I mean game—from a distance that you can't make out without a telescope. Neither is there any virtue. I'm quite unimpressed.

Do you know who I consider manly and courageous? Men like John Wycliff and his disciples the Lollards, Martin Luther, and for a contemporary example, Richard Wurmbrand. These men feared not what men could do to them, but boldly preached in Jesus' name in peril of their lives. (Wurmbrand was tortured for fourteen years in Communist prisons.)

Those are men—real men. But to lust for the death of an animal, and brag of the kill that you made with a machine equipped with a high-powered scope—that's sissified. Go after that eight-point buck with a spear and dagger, then you might have some bragging rights. I would pay to see that.

Hunt if you want. I don't care. Really. Never did. And I don't feel sorry for the animals either, but don't assert that you were being manly by doing so, and don't assert that there is any virtue in it.
 
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padredurand

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Hunt if you want. I don't care. Really. Never did. And I don't feel sorry for the animals either, but don't assert that you were being manly by doing so, and don't assert that there is any virtue in it.
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Just to think you could have written I don't like hunting and saved us 35 pages of posts. :wavey:
 
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Amy.G

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Aaron said:
What manly qualities are brought into play in hunting? Just list them please.
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He is fulfilling his role as head of the family and home by providing for them. God created him to do be the breadwinner and he is following the nature that God created him with. That is why it's enjoyable. Just as it is enjoyable for us women to nurture children. God created us to do just that.

The fact that a man can go to Kroger's and buy a steak doesn't change the basic nature and purpose that God created him for.
 
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Aaron

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I'm done with the discussion, but simply wanted to clarify something:
padredurand said:
Just to think you could have written I don't like hunting and saved us 35 pages of posts. :wavey:
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Who said I didn't like hunting? Weren't you paying attention? I was an avid outdoorsman. I don't hunt for sport not because I don't like it, but because it's immoral. God is neither pleased nor glorified, but it's a vice common to man, and, like smoking, is mild as far as vices go, so I don't really care if one hunts.

Now I said hunting for sport was immoral, but it's also expensive. Hunting for sport is a liability, not an asset. So men hunt to provide food for the family? Get real, Amy.

If you want to argue more, that's fine. I'm done, but see if you can make an argument that isn't about foraging—that is, hunting for food (which is a rare thing)—, because, as you can plainly see, I was talking about hunting for sport.

Think I'll go back and highlight those phrases. Y'all have a tough time keeping them in mind as you justify your vice.
 
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Amy.G

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Aaron said:
So men hunt to provide food for the family? Get real, Amy.
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Why don't you get real and actually read what I wrote. I said that men enjoy hunting because God created them as providers. It is their God given nature. Therefore, it is not sinful to enjoy the hunt.

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Revmitchell

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Timsings said:
Wait a minute. Does this mean that Revmitchell and I actually agree on something? Something is desperately wrong. I may have to go lie down. :laugh:

Tim Reynolds
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Statistics are against us bro. It had to happen sooner or later. Sorry about that.:eek:
 
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ReformedBaptist

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I've never met a hunter who didn't enjoy the hunt. All this talk makes me want to go hunting...checkign the weather..

Aaron, if you want to let other men and women do all the killing and cleaning of the animals you eat, so be it. Most of us do that. But to call hunting immoral is ignorant.
 
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John Toppass

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Aaron said:
I'm done with the discussion, but simply wanted to clarify something:Who said I didn't like hunting? Weren't you paying attention? I was an avid outdoorsman. I don't hunt for sport not because I don't like it, but because it's immoral. God is neither pleased nor glorified, but it's a vice common to man, and, like smoking, is mild as far as vices go, so I don't really care if one hunts.

Now I said hunting for sport was immoral, but it's also expensive. Hunting for sport is a liability, not an asset. So men hunt to provide food for the family? Get real, Amy.

If you want to argue more, that's fine. I'm done, but see if you can make an argument that isn't about foraging—that is, hunting for food (which is a rare thing)—, because, as you can plainly see, I was talking about hunting for sport.

Think I'll go back and highlight those phrases. Y'all have a tough time keeping them in mind as you justify your vice.
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I guess this as as good a way to exit an arguement that one has lost, many times and ways, as any other.
 
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