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was jesus eternally beggoten By God, or just the Logos/Word?

percho

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Percho, what is the purpose of your post?

from the foundation of the world refers to a different period than before the foundation of the world. Anyone who says otherwise is simply redefining apo to mean pro.

Paul says God promised eternal life before (pro) times eternal. When would that be? Most commentaries say before the foundation of the world, or a promise made before creation. That could refer to when the Father appointed the Son to be the Lamb of God.

The reason I do not state this view as a certainty, is that another possibility is that it refers to before times of the ages, which could refer to the Old Covenant promise. This seems less likely to me.

In summary, Titus 1:2 probably refers to the period before the foundation of the world, i.e. in eternity before creation, with the promise being given to the Son by the Father.

Using this view, then no, the two periods are separated, one before creation and the other after creation.

No particular purpose, I just wanted your thoughts on those two phrases.

I agree with you concerning Rev. 13:8 I believe it to be, from. I even think the concept of world in that passage is just as interesting as from the foundation thereof. Shoot even, "foundation," is an interesting word there.
Maybe more than the others.
 

freeatlast

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was the Son eternally with the father, or did sonship start when the Word became flesh and dwelt among us?
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 

Yeshua1

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In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

was the Word also called the Son?

or did he become the Son when born as jesus?
 

freeatlast

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was the Word also called the Son?

or did he become the Son when born as jesus?

Scripture says the Word became flesh so I believe the term Son is an incarnation designation not an eternal explaination for a relationship.
I think one mistake is to envision three distinct persons lined up on a throne in eternity past that are called God.
 

Yeshua1

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Scripture says the Word became flesh so I believe the term Son is an incarnation designation not an eternal explaination for a relationship.
I think one mistake is to envision three distinct persons lined up on a throne in eternity past that are called God.

there are though 3 seperate/distinct persons, who together comprise the ONE God!
 

freeatlast

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there are though 3 seperate/distinct persons, who together comprise the ONE God!
I cannot discribe how the Godhead is made up in eternity past as scripture does nto spell it out. What constitutes a person? Is each person exactly the same in all respects?
 

Yeshua1

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I cannot discribe how the Godhead is made up in eternity past as scripture does nto spell it out. What constitutes a person? Is each person exactly the same in all respects?

there was always 3 persons within One being, father Son holy spirit, ALL 3 sharing in essense of God, all 3 equally God, but one God!
 

freeatlast

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there was always 3 persons within One being, father Son holy spirit, ALL 3 sharing in essense of God, all 3 equally God, but one God!
Three persons in one being. Hmm. Could you explain how that works and where you get that from? What is a being?
 

Yeshua1

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Three persons in one being. Hmm. Could you explain how that works and where you get that from? What is a being?

bible states ONLY ONE God....

Also states that there is a person calle dthe father by jesus is God, that father calls jesus God, and both Apostles peter/paul call his Holy Spirit God!

NOT 3 Gods, so has to bring 3 persons in one being a God head...

2 heresies...

God is one, in 3 seperate modes, or 3 seperate Gods!
 

freeatlast

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bible states ONLY ONE God....

Also states that there is a person calle dthe father by jesus is God, that father calls jesus God, and both Apostles peter/paul call his Holy Spirit God!

NOT 3 Gods, so has to bring 3 persons in one being a God head...

2 heresies...

God is one, in 3 seperate modes, or 3 seperate Gods!
So how does this work? God is Spirit. The Spirit is Spirit and Jesus was flesh and blood. Now I am not sure how we would classify Him in the new body. So in the past before Jesus was born was there three Spirits and now two? If there are three persons what constitutes a person?
 

Yeshua1

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So how does this work? God is Spirit. The Spirit is Spirit and Jesus was flesh and blood. Now I am not sure how we would classify Him in the new body. So in the past before Jesus was born was there three Spirits and now two? If there are three persons what constitutes a person?

just accept the biblical testimony!

Father is Spirit, Holy Spirit is Spirit, jesus became a human, but now ascended and is in heaven !
 

percho

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So how does this work? God is Spirit. The Spirit is Spirit and Jesus was flesh and blood. Now I am not sure how we would classify Him in the new body. So in the past before Jesus was born was there three Spirits and now two? If there are three persons what constitutes a person?

Let's classify him at that time, as Spirit quickening, yet still the Son of Man the Son of God. 1 Cor 15:45 Then Verse 46 still speaking of the last Adam: but that which is spiritual [is] not first, but that which [was] natural, (soulish) afterwards (after the resurrection and or after being the firstborn from the dead) that which [is] spiritual.
 
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