Was Jesus ever disobediant?

[blackbird]

Disobedience is ALWAYS sin if it's at odds with God's truth and His commands.

As was said, Jesus was sinless. He did not dishonor his parents by disobeying them.

If the Spirit of God was directing Him to go preach in the Temple, then his parents would have been the ones out of alignment with God in telling Him to not go and do so if they did. God's commands trump the parents' commands.

Honestly, I wouldn't lose any sleep over such discussions T Alan. They just bog people down. It's much easier to , in faith, trust that Jesus---God in the flesh---lived a sinless life.

If He didn't, then none of us are saved.

We don't have to understand the dynamics of How He did it. But we have to trust that He did if we truly believe Him capable of taking on our sin and subsequently forgiving us and saving us.

Zaac---from the center of my heart I want you to know how much I appreciate your post here!!! Have a great day, Friend!!:type::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[Baptist Believer]

Joseph and Mary did not have to teach Jesus to do good, as it came NATURAL to him because he was born "without sin" and no sin could be found "in him" by nature.

I believe I know what you are trying to say, but sinlessness does not mean that a person does not benefit from learning. I would posit that Jesus would learn to express the good that He possessed in His nature.

Remember, Jesus continually grew in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and humankind.

It is difficult for our minds - so influenced by 2000 years of Christian teaching about the sinfulness of humankind - to differentiate between what is "human" and what is "sin." If we don't think carefully about it, we can come up with some strange ideas that assume that all bodily functions are inherently sinful and so a person who hopes to please God cannot experience physical pleasure without sinning. Therefore, no good food, no sexual relations in marriage (except for the unfortunately necessary obligation to procreate), no enjoyment of the good things in life.

It is human to have to learn how to control one's body (the primary goal of early childhood) and develop one's mind (a God-mandated calling, BTW), as well as grow in our relationship to God. It is not sin if Jesus hit His thumb with a hammer while learning the trade in Joseph's shop. It is not a sin that Jesus more likely had to learn to walk. It is not sin that Jesus had to learn the Torah, the prophets and the writings as he grew up instead of just having all of that when He was born. It was not sin that He asked the greatest Jewish minds sincere questions when He was at the temple at 12 years old. (They were amazed at the profundity of His questions, His blazing intellect, and His ability to lay bare the weaknesses of their presuppositions. The great minds of Jewish life and Jesus could not get enough of each other, so much so that they were only interrupted when His parents came to get Him a few days later.) It is not sin that Jesus could not carry the heavy cross beam all the way to the site of His crucifixion because He was so weak from His torture and sufferings.

The Incarnation is a very difficult and challenging thing to meditate on, because it has enormous implications for the way we are to live our lives in Christ.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Honestly, I wouldn't lose any sleep over such discussions T Alan. They just bog people down. It's much easier to , in faith, trust that Jesus---God in the flesh---lived a sinless life.

If He didn't, then none of us are saved.

We don't have to understand the dynamics of How He did it. But we have to trust that He did if we truly believe Him capable of taking on our sin and subsequently forgiving us and saving us.

Zaac, I appreciate the tone of what is being said here, but if we are to be disciples of Christ (which is what He has called us to do - not just believe certain propositions that we might passively go to heaven), these questions are extremely important.

If we are going to make process in sanctification by cooperating with God to learn to do the things that Jesus taught us to do, then we are going to need to persevere and work with the Spirit by expending effort. When we fail - as we will - we shouldn't give up, but figure out where things went wrong and try again. That's how we grow in grace. When we were children learning to walk, we didn't just start walking never to fall again. There was a long process of tentative steps, falls, and holding on to the hands of our parents. In the same way, the Jesus holds our hand - and sometimes, hands off, calls us into something he is doing - and we are empowered by the Spirit to take those steps of faith well beyond what we have been capable of doing on our own. Just like a human parent, God is not angry with us when we fail trying to do good, but picks us up, binds our wounds, and asks us to try again.

We are called to model Jesus. Reflection on how Jesus prepared Himself for ministry is essential to Christian growth.

 

[Marooncat79]

"Classic theism teaches that God is impassible — not subject to suffering, pain, or the ebb and flow of involuntary passions. In the words of the Westminster Confession of Faith, God is "without body, parts, or passions, immutable." [1] (excerpt take from http://www.theopedia.com/Impassibility_of_God)

Okay MaroonCat79, Here's a definition. Now if you will tell everyone watching today how to apply this to the questions at hand.

I said Impassable-my bad

I meant impeccability. Christ eas incapable of sin since He is God

 

[preachinjesus]

If disobedience = sin then no, Jesus was never disobedient.

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death-- even to death on a cross. - Philippians 2:8

 

[Zaac]

Zaac, I appreciate the tone of what is being said here, but if we are to be disciples of Christ (which is what He has called us to do - not just believe certain propositions that we might passively go to heaven), these questions are extremely important.

But why are they extremely important Baptist Believer? To make disciples and to teach them to obey everything that He has commanded kinda demands that one believe that Jesus is God. And God is perfect.

One of the reasons God sent Himself to save us is because one covered in sin wasn't capable of forgiving the same sin, let alone saving another fellow sinner.

It demanded the PERFECT, SINLESS Lamb of God.

So to the Believer saved by grace through faith, why would it even be an afterthought to debate whether or not Jesus was disobedient?

How can God be disobedient when He is the measure of obedience? How can a house divided of itself stand?

This is just one of those questions that probably fascinates people, but just doesn't need to be thought about too much because the answer for a follower of Christ is simply NO.

If we are going to make process in sanctification by cooperating with God to learn to do the things that Jesus taught us to do, then we are going to need to persevere and work with the Spirit by expending effort. When we fail - as we will - we shouldn't give up, but figure out where things went wrong and try again. That's how we grow in grace. When we were children learning to walk, we didn't just start walking never to fall again. There was a long process of tentative steps, falls, and holding on to the hands of our parents. In the same way, the Jesus holds our hand - and sometimes, hands off, calls us into something he is doing - and we are empowered by the Spirit to take those steps of faith well beyond what we have been capable of doing on our own. Just like a human parent, God is not angry with us when we fail trying to do good, but picks us up, binds our wounds, and asks us to try again.

We are called to model Jesus. Reflection on how Jesus prepared Himself for ministry is essential to Christian growth.

Indeed. But reflection on whether or not he was disobedient is not. If anyone gets bogged down on that, perhaps we need to put on the brakes and find out what god it is they think saved them?

 

[HankD]

I said Impassable-my bad

I meant impeccability. Christ eas incapable of sin since He is God

I am not one of them but there are those (or used to be those) here at the BB who believe it was possible for Christ to have sinned whilst He was here in the flesh.

HankD

 

[Baptist Believer]

But why are they extremely important Baptist Believer? To make disciples and to teach them to obey everything that He has commanded kinda demands that one believe that Jesus is God.

It seems like you have boiled down all of Jesus' teaching to the affirmation that Jesus is Divine (co-equal with the Father and the Spirit). While Jesus is certainly Divine - He was/is the very image of God - He didn't actually spend as much time on that issue as some people seem to preach. Once to take that Jesus is God as a given (and I do), then you should pay careful attention to what He says to do. He calls us to do all sorts of things like loving our enemies. When was the last time you heard of a church advertising a class on how to love one's enemies? It doesn't just happen. We can cooperate with the Spirit to learn to love others. Jesus, and Paul, also taught us how to make enormous progress in setting aside sin and living and moving in the power of the Spirit. Of course folks immediately get upset when you talk about victory over sin and they'll start dismissing any success in that area, demanding that we must provide an example of someone who is now completely sinless, but that's a false dichotomy. The New Testament, as well as the Old, is clear that we can make enormous progress leaving behind our sinful habits and desires.

Having said that, our example for all of this is Jesus. We need to think deeply about the difference between being human and indulging in sin. The Incarnation of Jesus is the perfect example of that and the Gospels paint that picture vividly.

It sounds like you would have us just assert our conviction that "Jesus is God" and be done with the teachings of Jesus.

One of the reasons God sent Himself to save us is because one covered in sin wasn't capable of forgiving the same sin, let alone saving another fellow sinner.

Jesus also came as a living example of life as God would have us live it.

So to the Believer saved by grace through faith, why would it even be an afterthought to debate whether or not Jesus was disobedient?

So you are holding atonement theory against the direct teaching of the Gospels that Jesus grew in wisdom and stature and in favor with God and humankind?

You can hold to both at the same time.

Furthermore, the real issue here is whether or not disobedience is always sin. Among other things, it depends upon who is being disobeyed.

How can God be disobedient when He is the measure of obedience?

He is the measure of obedience, but He's much more than that. He demonstrates how to act in all kinds of situations. Should Jesus have obeyed the religious leaders of His day at all times? Should He have repented in the Nazareth synagogue when the fellowship of the synagogue got so angry at His message that they tried to kill Him?

How can a house divided of itself stand?

Jesus is not opposed to Jesus. I'm not sure why you think this is relevant.

This is just one of those questions that probably fascinates people, but just doesn't need to be thought about too much because the answer for a follower of Christ is simply NO.

I'm glad you've done the thinking for everyone. Saves a lot of time. Unfortunately, it is not biblical and is actually DISOBEDIENT to God since we are called to love God with our minds. Moreover, God inspired Luke to tell us about Jesus growing in wisdom and stature and in favor with God and humankind. How can the sinless and obedient Son of God grow in wisdom? How can the sinless and obedient Son of God grow in favor with God? What does that mean for us? Oops. I'm not supposed to think about these things since you've told me not to do it...

Indeed. But reflection on whether or not he was disobedient is not. If anyone gets bogged down on that, perhaps we need to put on the brakes and find out what god it is they think saved them?

I find it interesting that you put salvation in the past tense, as if it is essentially complete and we are waiting for death of the Second Coming. Jesus doesn't call people to a passive - "saved" - position, He calls people to enter into His life, the life of the Kingdom. His essential message (as was John the Baptist's and the early church - including Paul) was "repent for the Kingdom of God (or the Heavens) is at hand." We are called into activity in God's Kingdom which involves learning how to have Christ formed in us through modeling Jesus. This is not a "what would Jesus do" kind of thing, but a lifetime of training and disciplines that break our sinful habits and allow the Spirit to more easily work in us, building new habits of righteousness.

 

[T Alan]

Disobedience equals sin. Jesus did not sin. It is useless and futile to try to impose any of that on Jesus. Had he sinned He would not have been God and would not be qualified to go to the cross and our faith would be in vein.

There is nothing intellectual or edifying about dumb questions like is in the op.

Sin is described in the Bible as transgression of the law of God
(1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.)and rebellion against Yahweh.(Deuteronomy 9:7; Joshua 1:18).
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/definition-sin.html#ixzz3OkEQzIsP And actually I never asked was Jesus "disobedient"

Those questions were basically just for thought regarding the latter matter of disobedience. However, it has been stated and I would have to research for the source, that babies learn that when they cry the mother appears and they get what they want. So, as the baby cries they learn to get what they want say food, they cry. The baby as it gets older tries to apply that same action re action to other things, toys etc. so in that manner they manipulate the actions of the mother. mother doesn't want baby to cry mother supplies attention or toy to baby.

I say unequivocally, I in no way think Jesus to have sinned. I believe Him to be sinless from birth to present time. I thought this would stimulate some good discussion to benefit others that may wonder about things but never post.

Anyone that would say I said or implied that Jesus committed "SIN" really need to re read my Original post and all subsequent comments I've made.
Here several posts before Biblicist wrote:

...."I will give you a scriptural reference to answer your basic question did he sin:"

which I never asked as I know He did not. Any one which thinks Jesus sinned is not a Baptist and at the least are not allowed to post in this thread. I did no such thing.

I don't recall reading anything about his childhood in Scripture. Can you give me a scriptural reference for any question you asked about Christ?

I will give you a scriptural reference to answer your basic question did he sin:

1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

As far as actions of sin - He did no sin. So as an infant he was an extraordinary child because "neither was guile found IN HIS MOUTH"
2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


By experience in life he "knew no sin" experientially.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

His whole life from birth to death was "without sin" just as the ceremonially chosen sacrificial sheep must be "without blemish or spot".

Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

He was an EXTRAODINARY infant "separate from sinners" as he was an EXTRAORINARY child and young man "separate from sinners" because he was "holy, harmless, undefiled".

1Jo 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

In regard to his human nature there was no sin "in him." That is not true of other human infants as they come into this world with the law of sin in them manifested by death in and outside of the womb.

Therefore, when we are dealing with SILENCE and the Bible is SILENT about his infancy and childhood, we are to interpret SILENCE by the precepts and principle provided by Scripture and the above scriptures provide the guidelines for SPECULATION.


Infants DIE and death is the condemnation of SIN just as Paul argues in Romans 5:13-14 because where there is no law there can be no death as the is the basis for the condemnation to death and infants die, and thus are UNDER THE LAW'S CONDEMNATION. They are born with a sinful nature and it is self-evident to any parent as has any parent ever had to TEACH infants to sin or do evil? No! what they must do is TEACH them to do good! Why, because good does not come natural.

Joseph and Mary did not have to teach Jesus to do good, as it came NATURAL to him because he was born "without sin" and no sin could be found "in him" by nature.

However, it seems you are doing what the enemies of Christ attempted to do and so Jesus asked:

Joh 8:46 ¶ Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

The fact that He was an extraordinary child begins at the fact of His extraordinary conception.

Do you need a Scripture reference for that?

Not starting out as an extraordinary child, it's vain to project your own imagination of how Christ behaved based on your experience with ordinary children.

You assert that Christ cried as an infant. I don't recall reading that. Would you give me the Scripture reference? Thanks.

Jesus wept as a man (John 11:35) for sure he did as all babes do, Jesus was FULLY man BUT without sin.

Please, see the boldened sentence of my above post. I never said or implied Jesus sinned. But to the contrary. To say I did is misrepresentation.

Disobedience is ALWAYS sin if it's at odds with God's truth and His commands.

As was said, Jesus was sinless. He did not dishonor his parents by disobeying them.

If the Spirit of God was directing Him to go preach in the Temple, then his parents would have been the ones out of alignment with God in telling Him to not go and do so if they did. God's commands trump the parents' commands.

Honestly, I wouldn't lose any sleep over such discussions T Alan. They just bog people down. It's much easier to , in faith, trust that Jesus---God in the flesh---lived a sinless life.

If He didn't, then none of us are saved.

We don't have to understand the dynamics of How He did it. But we have to trust that He did if we truly believe Him capable of taking on our sin and subsequently forgiving us and saving us.

I'm not going to lose sleep but I see that it is worthy of discussion. And that what this "Forum" is supposed to be all about. By looking at the numbers of "views" it's apparent a lot more read than post. Many are looking for answers, I'm not afraid to take on any subject to give the scriptural responses, Because I know Scripture is inerrant, infallible and capable of revealing Jesus the Christ.

I agree, Jesus never sinned.

If disobedience = sin then no, Jesus was never disobedient.

He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death-- even to death on a cross. - Philippians 2:8

I would agree, Jesus was never disobedient to the point of it being sin.

 

[T Alan]

"some people" would do well to read this in whole or at least part:
"Jesus has a human body, emotions, mind, and will. And this in no way compromises his deity.

When the Word became flesh—when the eternal Son of God took on full humanity—he did not merely become human in part. He fully became truly human.
Jesus’ Human Body

It is clear enough from the New Testament that Jesus has a human body. John 1:14 means at least this, and more: “The Word became flesh.” Jesus’ humanity is one of the first tests of orthodoxy (1 John 4:2; 2 John 7). Jesus was born (Luke 2:7). He grew (Luke 2:40, 52). He grew tired (John 4:6) and got thirsty (John 19:28) and hungry (Matthew 4:2). He became physically weak (Matthew 4:11; Luke 23:26). He died (Luke 23:46). And he had a real human body after his resurrection (Luke 24:39; John 20:20, 27).
Jesus’ Human Emotions

Throughout the Gospels, Jesus clearly displays human emotions. When Jesus heard the centurion’s words of faith, “he marveled” (Matthew 8:10). He says in Matthew 26:38 that his “soul is very sorrowful, even to death.” In John 11:33–35, Jesus is “deeply moved in his spirit and greatly troubled” and even weeps. John 12:27 says, “Now is my soul troubled,” and in John 13:21, he is “troubled in his spirit.” The author to the Hebrews writes that “Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears” (Hebrews 5:7) John Calvin memorably summed it up: “Christ has put on our feelings along with our flesh.”
Jesus’ Human Mind

Jesus also has a human mind. Two key texts make this undeniable:

Luke 2:52: “Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature and in favor with God and man.”
Mark 13:32: “Concerning that day or that hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”

The second verse, of course, is striking. For Christians who clearly affirm Jesus’ deity, Mark 13:32 seems like trouble. But what looks difficult at first glance proves to be a glorious confirmation of Jesus’ humanity and a very helpful piece in formulating our Christology.

If Jesus is God and God knows everything, how can Jesus not know when his second coming will be?

In addition to being fully divine, Jesus is fully human. He has both an infinite, divine mind and a finite, human mind. He can be said not to know things because he is human and finite—human minds are not omniscient. And Jesus can be said to know all things (John 21:17) because he is divine and infinite in his knowledge.

Paradoxical as it is, we must affirm that Jesus both knows all things and doesn’t know all things. For the unique, two-natured person of Christ, this is no contradiction but a peculiar glory of the God-man.
Jesus’ Human Will

Now, trickiest of all, Jesus not only has a divine will but also a human will. Two wills—one divine and one human. Two key texts mention his human will:

John 6:38: “I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.”
Matthew 26:39: “Not as I will, but as you will.”

Jesus has an infinite, divine will that he shares with his Father. And he has a finite, human will that, while being an authentic human will, is perfectly in sync with and submissive to the divine will.

This Jesus is a spectacular person! Fully God. Fully man. He is utterly unique. There is only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5).
Fully Divine, Fully Human

Jesus is like us in every respect—human body, heart, mind, and will—except for sin (Hebrews 2:17; 4:15).

How amazing that the divine Son of God would not just take on part of our humanity but all of it—and then take that true humanity all the way to the cross for us.

Jesus took a human body to save our bodies. And he took a human mind to save our minds. Without becoming man in his emotions, he could not have saved our emotions. And without taking a human will, he could not save our will. In the words of Gregory of Nazianzus, “That which he has not assumed he has not healed.”

He became man in full so that he might save us in full. Hallelujah! What a marvelous Savior!"
http://www.desiringgod.org/blog/posts/jesus-is-fully-human

 

[Marooncat79]

I am not one of them but there are those (or used to be those) here at the BB who believe it was possible for Christ to have sinned whilst He was here in the flesh.

HankD

I hopeunderstands that believing in the peccability of Christ is heresy. BTW, at one time I believed it as well

 

[kyredneck]

Of all the intelligent things you could have said. You chose this. I am disappointed by you. Not surprised but disappointed as I've read other responses you've made in other threads that had a tone of intelligence. If you could put aside your disdain for me you could add to the conversation without the, the, the.....

He's an ogre. Don't expect anything but obnoxiousness from him. You're handling him just fine here. :thumbsup:

I said Impassable-my bad

I meant impeccability. Christ eas incapable of sin since He is God

Whew, thanks for that. I was scratching my head trying to recollect something pertaining to the impassibilty of Christ!

 

[Baptist Believer]

Jesus has a human body, emotions, mind, and will. And this in no way compromises his deity.

Good stuff.

Many years ago I set aside the education I had received in church and started over with agnosticism - leaning heavily toward atheism.

Over the course of about 18 months, I studied a number or religious texts and rather quickly was able to dismiss most of them because they were not tied into the world I experienced. I landed again upon the Bible, a book that I had avoided until the very end so that I would not be unfairly influenced by its familiarity.

I read it from cover to cover several times, and the New Testament more than a dozen times over the course of about 14 months - reading, on average, about four hours a night. I spent almost all of my free time getting familiar with the story as a reader, not a theologian. Over the course of that time, I started putting together a theology based upon my reading, not what I had always been told. Among many surprises were that the Old Testament "heroes" were not very heroic most of the time. That Jesus had a lot of trouble with His disciples and actually had quite a bit to say that wasn't taught in my Baptist church. And I noticed that the first century New Testament church had massive problems, even though God was using it in an amazing way.

But one of the biggest things that captured my imagination what that Jesus was actually human - really human. He was also divine, but folks in my circles love to camp out on that side of things. What makes Jesus' humanness so compelling to me is that He dealt with many of the same issues I did, yet did not sin. He life was ruled by love - sometimes hard love - and redemption.

When in the pages of the Gospels He called me to "follow," I knew it was in a very different way that my home church wanted me to walk the aisle, get baptized, and stay out of trouble so I would go to heaven instead of burning forever in a fiery hell. The call was for life, not for the afterlife, although I would have to die to my way of living and adopt His way.

The discussion here is about His way of life. Sometimes that involves disobeying persons using authority in an ungodly way. It also means that life is about growing in grace, not obsession about sins. We can make enormous strides in overcoming sin in our lives. This teaching that wants us not to consider the Incarnation works against that calling.

 

[kyredneck]

...and I agree with Aaron, I can't imagine Him being anything but extraordinary in every way His entire life.

 

[The Biblicist]

I believe I know what you are trying to say, but sinlessness does not mean that a person does not benefit from learning. I would posit that Jesus would learn to express the good that He possessed in His nature.

I certainly would never deny that Jesus "learned" intellectually and experientially or that he did not grow in both wisdom and knowledge.

However, if you will look at the context from which you drew my statement from, I am contrasting the immoral inclination that comes with the fallen nature which manifests itself by evil attitudes and actions, regardless, if the conscience is capable of discerning it is evil IN INFANTS, versus the nature of Christ as a child who was inclined to righteousness from birth.

The difference here is one of moral inclination which needs no training as it naturally expresses itself. In the regard to fallen mankind there is an evil inclination that operates within them as a law, in contrast in regard to Christ there is a righteous inclination that operated within him as a law. Neither had to be learned. In the fallen child by nature it had to be restrained by discipline but never had to be trained to naturally express itself.

However, the evil inclination in fallen beings can grow and learn to express evil in more devious ways, just as Christ as a child could learn to express that righteous inclination in more additional righteous ways.

The point is that sin could not be found "in him" but it can be found in all fallen humans from birth. Neither did Christ have to be trained to be inclined to righteousness as that came natural, just as fallen man never had to be trained to be inclined to unrighteousness as that came naturally.

 

[T Alan]

Good stuff.
Many years ago I set aside the education I had received in church and started over with agnosticism - leaning heavily toward atheism.

Over the course of about 18 months, I studied a number or religious texts and rather quickly was able to dismiss most of them because they were not tied into the world I experienced. I landed again upon the Bible, a book that I had avoided until the very end so that I would not be unfairly influenced by its familiarity.

I read it from cover to cover several times, and the New Testament more than a dozen times over the course of about 14 months - reading, on average, about four hours a night. I spent almost all of my free time getting familiar with the story as a reader, not a theologian......

So, what state did you do the time in? jk jk, that's a great testimony. It's a pleasure to "meet" you this side of eternity. I look forward to further future dialogue about our Saviour Jesus.

...and I agree with Aaron, I can't imagine Him being anything but extraordinary in every way His entire life.

Kyredneck (is there any other kind from KY),:tongue3: There were many if not most that met Him and had no glimpse of His Majesty or "extraordinaryness", matter of fact Isaiah spoke it like this :3He was despised and forsaken of men, A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; And like one from whom men hide their face He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.…

 

[Tom Butler]

I think we all agree that Jesus did not sin. But COULD he? If he was unable to sin, what was the point of the Temptation?

 

[The Biblicist]

I think we all agree that Jesus did not sin. But COULD he? If he was unable to sin, what was the point of the Temptation?

How do you define the word "temptation"? Certainly, exposure to evil would manifest his inherent inclination to righteous. However, are you suggesting that the nature in Christ was neutral and could be morally tempted to be inclined toward sin?

 

[HankD]

I think we all agree that Jesus did not sin. But COULD he? If he was unable to sin, what was the point of the Temptation?

A lot Tom.

One could also ask the question - What was the point of His Baptism?

It was one more evidence of His "impeccability" though He was truly man, truly God.

Also, The account was not just about Christ but Satan and the confrontation with Christ.

It says something about Satan as well as it does about Christ.


HankD

 

[percho]

I believe the greatest temptation of the Christ, Jesus was in the garden. I believe Hebrews 12:4 is speaking of Jesus resisting unto blood striving against sin.The sin of, not being obedient unto death even the death of the cross. Of not being able to say, "It is finished."

From Albert Barnes on Hebrews 5:7 1st para containing what other men had to say.

In that he feared - Margin, “For his piety.” Coverdale, “Because he had God in honor.” Tyndale, “Because he had God in reverence.” Prof. Stuart renders it, “And was delivered from what he feared.” So also Doddridge. Whitby, “Was delivered from his fear.” Luther renders it, “And was heard for that he had God in reverence” - “dass er Gott in Ehren hatte.” Beza renders it, “His prayers being heard, he was delivered, from fear.” From this variety in translating the passage, it will be seen at once that it is attended with difficulty. The Greek is literally “from fear or reverence” - ἀπὸ της εὐλαβείας apo tēs eulabeiasThe word occurs in the New Testament only in one other place, Hebrews 12:28, where it is rendered “fear.” “Let us serve him with reverence and godly fear.” The word properly means “caution, circumspection;” then timidity, fear; then the fear of God, reverence, piety.

I believe Jesus the Son of God, born of woman feared. the death. Even after the Father sent an angel to comfort him he was still in anguish unto the sweating of blood.

And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. Heb 2:15

Did Jesus not also have to experience that fear and be raised from the dead in order to release us from that fear?

Jesus's obedience became the faith, the belief of God the Father in the blood (wherein was his life Lev 17:11) of his Son, when Jesus obediently gave his life for our sins and therefore was raised from the dead by God his Father, giving him a name above all names.

Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Phil 2:8

That word, "wherefore," is relative his being in form of man and becoming obedient unto death.

Yes Jesus born of the virgin Mary could have sinned. He could have rejected being obedient unto death even the death of the cross and had he, he would have died, as a man, and there would have been no salvation. In dying, one would have surely died.

Jesus was the faith of God and became the substance of things hopped for the evidence of things not seen. The Promised Hope, Eternal Life.

The promise God made before the world begin. A promise made for the Son of God, born of woman, taken from man, created in his image for obedience.

Would that promise be made for a man who would not remain in obedience or for a man who would remain in obedience?

Show me from the word of God where this is not correct.