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Was Job without sin?

My own pet theory on the definition of "blameless" is that it refers to a spiritual state in which one is free from embedded, repetitive sin. A blameless person still sins, but not from the same troubling, defiant desires over and over (as many believers and all non-believers do). In other words, it is a state of general purity and righteousness brought about by a close walk with the Lord, not a condition of moral perfection.
 

johnp.

New Member
Hello Joseph.

What does God mean when he says that Job is blameless?
Eph 1:4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight...

Only those with Christ's righteousness can be blameless. This righteousness is imputed to us and is a formal declaration of our condition before God. Holy, righteous and blameless.

They are then shocked when I point out to him that God rebuked him near the end of the book and then Job repented in ashes and dust.
It was a rebuke but it was not for what Job said. JOB 42:7 After the LORD had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has.

Understand Job and you will get the right doctrine.

JOB 42:8 So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has."

Job's repentance was not caused by his error in descibing God as his friends were.

Was Job as totally depraved of a sinner as you and I, or was he, as some folks think, without sin?
JOB 31:35 ("Oh, that I had someone to hear me! I sign now my defense--let the Almighty answer me; let my accuser put his indictment in writing.

He calls on God to show him his sins.

JOB 31:36 Surely I would wear it on my shoulder, I would put it on like a crown.

And he says he would wear his sin, the charge against him, on his shoulder or as a crown because he knows his sins have been taken away by his Redeemer (Job 19:25).
And he enters into the most holy place before God as a bold Prince, 31:37.

I get the impression that Job is ancient. He performs sacrifices which is only lawful for Levites to perform under the covenant Moses carried down the mountain.

King Saul found out what happens if this process is ignored. Was Job a Levite? No mention is made of his geneology so he was not? I think he would have lived in a town if he was a Levite.
He might have known Abraham and was his predecessor.

GE 12:1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.

I think it seems a bit disjointed that God should suddenly appear to a man without the man having any notion of God to begin with. Faith comes by hearing. Abraham needed to hear first.

How's that?

john.
 

whatever

New Member
Originally posted by Craigbythesea:
If there ever was a man in the Bible who incontrovertibly demonstrated that the doctrine of total depravity is a totally depraved doctrine it was Job! A man who is “upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil" but is totally depraved. What an unimaginably ludicrous contradiction!!!
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Must I remind my dear readers that the doctrine of total depravity has it origins in the dark ages of man :eek: rather than in the most precious and most holy word of God?

God Himself said that Job was blameless, and I prefer to take God at his word rather than take the word of a degenerate fool like Calvin. Yes, the Bible explicitly teaches that Job was without sin, but when he was sorely tested, not being filled with the Holy Spirit of God; he succumbed to temptation, sinned, and was rebuked by God for it.

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Why would one who was "without sin" have a Redeemer? :confused:
 

Artimaeus

Active Member
Originally posted by Brother Ian:
Job was not without sin. While the KJV says Job was perfect, the Hebrew word does not mean without sin.
I agree. We should also realize that the English word also does not even usually mean without sin.

From the American Heritage Dictionary:

ADJECTIVE:

1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5.
A. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
B. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects: a perfect day.

Some people maintain that perfect is an absolute term like chief and prime, and therefore cannot be modified by more, quite, relatively, and other qualifiers of degree. But the qualification of perfect has many reputable precedents (most notably in the preamble to the U.S. Constitution in the phrase "in order to form a more perfect Union"). By the same token, perfect often means "ideal for the purposes," as in There could be no more perfect spot for the picnic, where modification by degree makes perfect sense.
 
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