Was Mary's Ovary Tube used?

The question arise when we translate Mt 1:20
"to gar en auteh gennehthen ek pneumatos estin Agiou" KJV translated this before the concept of fertilization between eggs and sperms is known to the people. "For that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost"
My translation is "For the one in her is conceived by Holy Spirit" which coincides with Hebrew 1:5 This day have I begotten thee. I don't want to debate on "this day" issue now, but just focus on whether Mary's egg was used or not. Clearly speaking, no Bible verse support that mary's egg was used, because Yeshuah pre-existed and became another Adam, even though he looked like a son of Joseph, son of Mary, decendant of David. He just came out of the woman (Gal 4:4) Genao verb is very much limitedly used while ginomai verb is used often.
This issue was not discussable when KJV was launched. But now, in this era, this must be clarified.
Maria's egg was not suitable to accept the Word of God so that it forms a new life, and it was not designed to be so. If her egg was used and formed a new life, then where is the pre-existed Yeshuah's life gone? Did 2 lives live in one body? Fertilization forms a new brain and its thinking. This was the reason why many believers were rejected when Theotokos was insisted by Catholic, since Nestorius was excommunicated.
My interpretation is that Holy Spirit gave birth to Yeshuah in the form of Human body and that body stayed in her, Mary. In this aspect Mary is not the biological mother but just a surrogate mother as we see tube babies today. This translation may be very much disappointing to Roman Catholic's who call Maria as Mother of God, who gave birth to Almighty God.
This is the issue that I want you to discuss, literally and spiritually.

[ November 26, 2005, 09:47 AM: Message edited by: Eliyahu ]

 

Does Yeshuah have a Mother? He has only Father!
If He had to be a Son of Mary in order to become the son of David and son of Abraham, why not to be son of Joseph and fully filled with Holy Spirit? This is why Catholic claims that the blood shed at the Cross was inherited from Mary. The blood was sinless and immaculate, because it was inherited from Immaculate Mary. If Mary was a sinner, then the Blood shed at the Cross was sinful, never good enough to redeem the human sins. We have to stick to the Bible Translation.
One may translate " The one conceived in her is from Holy Spirit" If the egg of Mary was fertilized, was it fertilized with the sperm transformed from the Word? If the Word could be transformed into a sperm, could it not be transformed into embryo itself? What I translate is that Holy Spirit gave birth to the embryo. If Mary is indeed His Mother, why did Yeshuah call her "Woman!" ? If her egg was fertilized and formed a new person, where is the pre-existing Son of God, who existed before the egg was formed, gone? I had an interesting discussion with a MD who is a devout believer, and he believes that Mary's ovary tube was not used, nor her egg.

 

Recent discoveries show that women's eggs are formed early in the beginning of young age and therefore old women's eggs are old, while men's sperms are formed every day. This means that the eggs of Mary had been already formed before Angel Gabriel notified her the conception. Then sinful nature could be inherited to Jesus. I hope someone expertised in Greek comment on my translation. "For the one in her is conceived by Holy Spirit" (Holy Spirit conceived Jesus and He just stayed in her)

 

Is God unable to use another dust to form a human body for Jesus? If such body is not human, then using only an egg without a sperm is human? Only partial formation is OK?
This means :
1) Fertilization between Joseph's sperm and mary's egg is not OK
2) Fertilization between Mary's egg and the Word is OK
3) Formation of Human Embryo without Joseph's and Mary's involvement is not OK.

Please think about further.

 

Yeshuah mentioned "Before Abraham was, I am" (πριν Αβρααμ γεβεσθαι, εγο ειμι)
Roman Catholic often forget that Yeshuah worked before His birth since the Creation. Many people think Jesus was sleeping since the Creation until He came into the world.
Moses believed in Him (Hebrew 11:26)
Jesus pre-existed before Maria was born. Jesus was the creator of Mary and Mary was created for Jesus. She was like a ceramic bowl created by Jesus, the Creator.

Please think about Mt 1:20 again.
"Το γαρ εν αθτη γεννηθεν εκ Πνεθματοσ εστιν Αγιου" The one in her is born by Holy Spirit

 

So does everybody think that Mary's egg was combined with Word of God? We live in an era where we have to be clear.
Have you found any verse where Jesus calls Mary as Mother? Disciples called mother of Jesus because people understood that way. However we do not know him by flesh now(2 Cor 5:16)
Indeed, in my early life in the faith, I claimed that Jesus had only mother, no father. Now I believe Jesus has only Father, no Mother. Mother of God is wrong concept because the word "Mother" contains the meaning of pre-existence. Throughout thousands of years or billions of years(whatever period)Jesus existed and used His own creature to come out of. Mary was used only for a short period, which is like a moment compared to the eternity of His nature.
Instead of discussion, we have to stick to the bible expression in Mt 1:20 which says" the one in her is born by Holy spirit' which I would paraphrase " the one is born by Holy Spirit and stays in her"
If He should be a seed of Abraham, why didn't God allow Joseph and Mary give birth to a baby and fill him with Holy Spirit fully? Instead 50% of human being should be used ? 50% is OK 100% is not OK, 0% is not possible?
Could He not take human flesh without Mary? Women conceive babies even though they are not biological mother but just surrogate mother. Can God not do what human beings do?
Bible explains "Πνευμα Αγιον επελευσεται επι σε και δθναμισ Υψιστου επισκιασει σοι" "Οτι ουκ αδθνατησει παρα τω Θεω" Nothing is impossible to God and Joseph and Mary become the surrogate parent so that he came as the descendant of Abraham and David. Do the children not call their surrogate mother as Mother? In any case if Mary's egg was used, mary's blood was passed to Jesus and Mary became the Wife of God, which is criticized by Jews. This may become clear at the time when we all stand in front of God. I am confident with my discerning. God used nothing out of Mary. Will it be impossible that God use another dust and form a body for Yesuah who existed before the creation? Nobody has explained how the egg was fertilized with what? with Word directly? or word became a sperm first? or Egg itself became an embryo with Holy Spirit?We can just return to the Bible Mt 1:20 and Heb 1:5.

 

I said Moses believed in Christ (Heb 11:26) Abraham look forward to seeing Jesus and eventually saw Him (John 8:56) Even Genesis 18:1- mentions that Jehova showed up with 2 Angels (Malack, not Elohim) and they ate the food prepared by Abraham. Did they eat the food in the dream of Abraham? No, Abraham dressed a calf and offered the milk and butter. They did eat (18:8). The 2 Angels(Malack) went to the Sodom, leaving Jehova with Abraham. They had the authority to judge Sodom and Gomorra. These 2 Malacks may be pre-incarnate Yeshuah and Holy Spirit because they have the power to judge the nations. Again the Malack shows up to Jacob and says " I am God of Beth-El"Genesis 31:11-13
Can any angel say that he is God?
Did any ancient people know the name of Son of God? Proverb 30:4 Who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is His name? and what is His Son's name, if thou canst tell?