Was Mary's Ovary Tube used?

Marcia, I do understand and can believe that He could be born of woman without need of woman's egg. Can't you ? Please look at tube babies who are born without the egg of the surrogate mother's. Likewise Jesus was born without anything from Mary but still came out of woman. that's why Galatian 4:4 says εςαπεστειλεν Θεοσ τον Υιον αθτου, γενομενον εκ γυναικοσ. Here we see γενομενον(come or become, or be made), not γεννηθεν (born) If Jesus was born by Mary, how could Paul say God sent His Son? Isn't it because His Son existed before and then God sent that Son thru woman? The people on this site are very weak in understanding the pre-existence of Yeshuah. Jesus said "they are they which testify me"John 5:39, the people on this site are very much contaminated with Roman Catholic!
In order to become like his brothers, Jesus came out of the surrogate mother, Mary. Could you understand this? Could you believe that God can raise up the children unto Abraham out of theses stones? Was John the Baptist wrong?
Could you believe that Jesus showed up to Abraham and Jesus said to the people clearly that He is the same guy which Abraham saw and was pleased to see ? then the Jews tried to kill Jesus. Please read John ch 8:56-59. Jesus could come to this world as if He showed up to Manoah (Judges ch 13) but came out of woman so that he become like his brothers and suffer the weakness of human body.
Someone above call me "stupid" but God knows who is stupid.

 

Bob said:
"Jesus" did not exist before being born of a virgin."

The above statement is wrong
Jesus existed before being born of a virgin.
Ye are from beneath, I am from above"John 8:23
then He said "Before Abraham was I am" It is remarkable that He didn't say "Before Abraham was, I had been", because of Omni-Presence of deity. Abraham rejoiced to see my day, and he saw it, and was glad" Then the Jews were upset.
Even though Jesus was not older than 50 years of age, He was older than Mary, because He created Mary. ( Colossian 1:16-17)

[ November 26, 2005, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: Eliyahu ]

 

"KenH"said
I am afraid that you are the one who is very confused. I pray that the Holy Spirit will open your eyes to the truth and that you will leave this nonsense you are currently posting behind.

I am surprised to know that Baptists are so weak in understanding the Pre-existence of Jesus. Now I can understand why Messianic Jews criticize eve Baptists are contaminated with Roman Catholic pagan worship.
Do you believe that Jesus is the Creator?

 

Did Word take a flesh or become flesh?
1) In John 1:14 - became
2) In Heb 2:16-17 - took the seed. Did he take the sperm of Abraham's?
επιλαμβανομαι ¨: take hold of, assume the nature of, attach oneself to, seize

this doesn't tell us whether he took the egg of Mary. But Heb just says He took the nature of seed of Abraham. He became the seed of Abraham by taking the surrogate parent.

He has existed since before Abraham and Abraham saw Him. I believe He may be talking about Genesis 18 and/or Genesis 22. The Malack showed up both times, then came out of the woman.

I have plenty of verses where Pre-incarnate Jesus worked during OT times. If you try to preach the Gospel to Jews and rely on just NT, you will not be accepted. You should find out Jesus only in OT and they will not accept Trinity as Poly-God theory.
Before the Word took the egg of Mary, was He imperfect person? If He was a perfect person before He came into Mary, why did He have to take anything from her?

 

Questions:
1) Was Mary Immaculate and Sinless?
2) Was the blood of Mary passed to Jesus?
3) Was the blood of Jesus shed at the Cross sinless?
4) If the blood of Jesus was inherited from Mary, how was it done?
5) If the blood of Jesus was not inherited from Mary, is it possible while Jesus was conceived with Mary's egg?

Thses issues are related to interpreting Mt 1:20 and defining ""Theotokos"which is one of the main theology of RC and Greek Orthodox,and Anglican Church as they all call Mary "the Mother of God" which is NEVER mentioned in the Bible.

 

This part becomes quite complicated. It is remarkable that mark, Luke, Mt all described Maria as mother of Yakobo and Yose:
Mt 27:56, Mk 15:47, 16:1, Lk 24:10 (simply Maria)
Catholic denies she is the very Mary, the mother of Jesus. Otherwise they should deny that Mary was the perpetual Virgin. How could the Mother of God marry another human being? or How could Wife of God marry another man? Both Joseph and Mary lived celibacy because teh virgin birth was too much shocking. This is what Catholic says.

In general I do not see any problem with the belief that Jesus was born of Holy Spirit, that Jesus was enfleshed by Holy Spirit and then stayed in Mary and came out of Mary.

Sometimes she forgot His father is God, but He reminded it in Lk 2:47-49

What I learned from Messianic Jews was that Jesus worked during OT times and it is shown so many times in OT. Yesuah is mentioned 78 times in OT and Malack was shown so many times as 50, and Ha-Goel (redeemer) is so.

 

If Jesus had the genom of Mary, DNA of Mary, the sinful nature of her could be inherited to Jesus.
Why the nature of Joseph was not allowed while the nature of Mary is Ok to be passed unto Jesus?
If Mary was a surrogate mother and Joseph the surrogate father, can Jesus not be a descendant of Abraham and David?

 

Ransom,please read Greek text ek means either from, out of, by, through. Often ek was used as by and therefore it is not the problem. Even Old English "öf" often meant "'by"