Was MLK Jr. a Christian?

[Van]

LOL, every reading this can see my direct quotes in this thread that come from MLK. They can see my primary sources. I have hid nothing.
How it is that you have missed them is the real question.

Yet another post without a quote supporting the slander from his sermons and letters.

 

[Van]

Bogus claim?
It's MLK who made the statement, Van.
My goodness you are hard headed.

More addressing me, and running like mad from providing evidence from sermons and letters.

 

[AustinC]

More addressing me, and running like mad from providing evidence from sermons and letters.

Just admit you were given the full documents and provided the direct quote, showing you that MLK was non-trinitarian. It's fact. Stop claiming something that isn't true.

 

[JonC]

It is obvious to any reader who went to school that you are denying the obvious to advance your bogus viewpoint.

It is not to anybody who attended seminary.

But I will open it up to see.

I started a thread to discuss the topic.

 

[JonC]

All sizzle and no steak. MLK Jr expressed many Christian views in His sermons and letters.

I agree. MLK did express many Christian views.

You are missing the point.

MLK, while affirming the resurrection, denied the bodily resurrectionion.

MLK while affirming the "empty tomb" denied it was empty of Jesus' dead body.

MLK while affirming Christ as God's Son denied that Jesus was God incarnate.

MLK while denying the virgin birth....well.....MLK flat our denied the virgin birth and claimed it a mistranslation.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Good Grief, of course Paul taught the resurrection, in fact he said if Christ has not risen from the grave, our faith is in vain.
Folks, ask yourselves why these posters seek to attribute to me unbiblical beliefs, rather than provide quotes from MLK Jr from his sermons and letters?

OK, now we’re getting somewhere. My post was chock full of direct quoting from an MLKJ sermon. It asked if you agreed verbatim with MLKJ on those points he made. Your post calls those beliefs unbiblical. Evidently, we agree that what MLKJ said in those quotes is unbiblical.

 

[Guvnuh]

No.

 

[Van]

Just admit you were given the full documents and provided the direct quote, showing you that MLK was non-trinitarian. It's fact. Stop claiming something that isn't true.

Again the empty claim but no evidence. I kid you not.

 

[Van]

It is not to anybody who attended seminary.

But I will open it up to see.

I started a thread to discuss the topic.

It is not in dispute, to claim students must tell their teachers what they want to hear with axiomatic.

 

[Van]

I agree. MLK did express many Christian views.

You are missing the point.

MLK, while affirming the resurrection, denied the bodily resurrectionion.

MLK while affirming the "empty tomb" denied it was empty of Jesus' dead body.

MLK while affirming Christ as God's Son denied that Jesus was God incarnate.

MLK while denying the virgin birth....well.....MLK flat our denied the virgin birth and claimed it a mistranslation.

Once again assertions but no quote beneath each one substantiating the claim. You provided one snippet concerning "God conciousness" which did not support the claim MLK Jr believed Jesus was not God.

 

[AustinC]

Once again assertions but no quote beneath each one substantiating the claim. You provided one snippet concerning "God conciousness" which did not support the claim MLK Jr believed Jesus was not God.

You are being stubborn and obstinate. MLK is quite clear and expressing his denial of the Trinity. You refuse the obvious. That is about you, not about us. MLK clearly denied the Trinity.

 

[JonC]

It is not in dispute, to claim students must tell their teachers what they want to hear with axiomatic.

No, that is juvenile thinking. You pretend MLK was a child when attending Crozer.

What is axiomatic is that you know you are wrong yet still insist on proving your faux ignorance.

 

[JonC]

Once again assertions but no quote beneath each one substantiating the claim. You provided one snippet concerning "God conciousness" which did not support the claim MLK Jr believed Jesus was not God.

No. I provided two papers - one of MLK explaining what he meant with the term and another of him using the term. With the bodily resurrection much more has been provided.


That's fine, @Van . You do not care to know about MLK or his life. This is unfortunate because he was an extraordinary man.

Instead you only want to know what good grew our of his accomplishments.

So you worship the myth rather than knowing the history. It doesn't matter here, but that will cripple you in other areas.

 

[JonC]

For those who have never attended seminary, written a theological thesis, or taken a philosophy course:

When you submit a theological thesis it is evaluated based on how well you have used research to support your argument, and how effectively you have communicated your ideas.

Seminary is not about memorizing the schools positions and turning that in for a grade. It is about developing, communicating, and defending your own beliefs.

This is, obviously, something foreign to @Van . I suspect his education to be in a different type of discipline (science, engineering, ect.) where his comments may apply.

 

[Van]

You are being stubborn and obstinate. MLK is quite clear and expressing his denial of the Trinity. You refuse the obvious. That is about you, not about us. MLK clearly denied the Trinity.

Yet again, no snippet quote where MLK Jr in a sermon or letter offers "denial of the Trinity."

So if you have no facts, run ans shout, flap your arms, all about.

 

[Van]

No. I provided two papers - one of MLK explaining what he meant with the term and another of him using the term. With the bodily resurrection much more has been provided.


That's fine, @Van . You do not care to know about MLK or his life. This is unfortunate because he was an extraordinary man.

Instead you only want to know what good grew our of his accomplishments.

So you worship the myth rather than knowing the history. It doesn't matter here, but that will cripple you in other areas.

Yet another post without a quote claiming all sorts of proof has been offered. Laughable.
Then the claim I do not car to know about MLK Jr's life. I was alive all during the 1950"s and 60's! I have read his wife's biography. I can quote part of his "I have a dream" speech. And you have the unmitigated gall, the unabashed timerity to claim I do not care to know. Laughable.

 

[Van]

For those who have never attended seminary, written a theological thesis, or taken a philosophy course:

When you submit a theological thesis it is evaluated based on how well you have used research to support your argument, and how effectively you have communicated your ideas.

Seminary is not about memorizing the schools positions and turning that in for a grade. It is about developing, communicating, and defending your own beliefs.

This is, obviously, something foreign to @Van . I suspect his education to be in a different type of discipline (science, engineering, ect.) where his comments may apply.

Notice his claim that students do not need to tell their teachers what the teachers want to hear? Imagine for a moment I submitted a paper to JOJ and did not provide a bibliography in his required format. Would I be marked down.

 

[JonC]

Notice his claim that students do not need to tell their teachers what the teachers want to hear? Imagine for a moment I submitted a paper to JOJ and did not provide a bibliography in his required format. Would I be marked down.

You are changing your story.

First your claim was that MLK had to write his thesis to state the theory Crozer taught, that those were not MLK's beliefs but what he wrote to get a good grade.

Now you are saying MLK had to use the correct format for his paper.

Yes. In seminary students have to use a specific format.

No. A theological thesis is not restating the beliefs of the seminary. It is stating and defending your own belief on a particular topic.

MLK reconciled liberalism with Christianity and came up with heresy. He credited Crozer and Jones with his faith (Crozer for the social gospel, Jones with helping him to merge it with Chriatianity).

 

[Van]

You are changing your story.

First your claim was that MLK had to write his thesis to state the theory Crozer taught, that those were not MLK's beliefs but what he wrote to get a good grade.

Now you are saying MLK had to use the correct format for his paper.

Yes. In seminary students have to use a specific format.

No. A theological thesis is not restating the beliefs of the seminary. It is stating and defending your own belief on a particular topic.

MLK reconciled liberalism with Christianity and came up with heresy. He credited Crozer and Jones with his faith (Crozer for the social gospel, Jones with helping him to merge it with Chriatianity).

Please stop claiming I mean "B" when I write "A."
I said students must provide what the teacher wants.
You are familiar with the process of multiple submittals of a thesis until the teacher is satisfied? And the process includes an Advisor and Second Reader signing the final submittal?

 

[JonC]

Please stop claiming I mean "B" when I write "A."
I said students must provide what the teacher wants.
You are familiar with the process of multiple submittals of a thesis until the teacher is satisfied? And the process includes an Advisor and Second Reader signing the final submittal?

Please stop changing your story.

You said that MLK had to lie about his beliefs to get a good grade.

Then you offered proof in that colleges require a certain format for bibliographies.

Now your proof is multiple submittal?

The submission process is to clean up writing-format errors, elimate presuppositions (make sure the student is legitimately defending his or her point, avoiding that type of error), and legitimate use of sources.

It eliminates errors we see daily in debates here (not actually supporting a conclusion, logical errors, "plain meaning", "normal meaning", ect.).

Look, @Van , believe what you want. Any member here who has written a theological thesis, or a thesis in literature or philosophy, knows you are wrong.

I'm not saying Crozer taught in that way, but addressing the fact that you are wrong in your statement regarding having to restate a professors views to get a good grade in seminary.

MLK may have, as you imply, lacked character while attending Crozer and Boston University. He may have lied for his own gain. I just do not see that he was that kind of man.

MLK seems to me to be a man who had the character to stand for what he believed was right.

Do you have proof he was a fraud?