Was Obama Wrong to Cut Back NASA?

[righteousdude2]

SEE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...rid7|htmlws-main-bb|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=476003

It appears that one more issue will surface in the 2014 elections, as the GOP can now question the DNC President for cutting back on manned space exploration.

Obama depending solely upon the us and Russia's cooperation to work together in space, especially the ISS, has no come under great concern as Putin takes action to limit the US to use of rockets, and in bring the ISS to a close in 2020.

Maybe this is one reason Obama was hesitant to take strong action against the ruskies over the Ukraine. Nevertheless, whatever the reasons(s), the truth is we are being held hostage by Russia when it comes to manned space exploration!

Maybe private enterprise will make its way to the front and be the best thing since apple pie and ice cream, but until then, Pbama should never have put an end to NASAs manned exploration in space! Now we have nothing.

 

[poncho]

I dunno funding and arming a group of neo nazi thugs to overthrow an elected government to install one his central banker buddies at the head of a transnational corporate friendly coup government seems like pretty strong action to me.

Oh wait was this meant to be another "demonize Putin in spite of all the evidence" that Washington, the EU and the IMF started the ruckus in Ukraine threads? Ooopsies, my bad!

 

[SolaSaint]

I think Capitalism will be good for space exploration, but I surely don't want to wake up one morning and read where China or Russia is building a Moon station that could be a military installation. :thumbsup:

 

[Bro. James]

We are probably exiled to this planet until the rapture which is the next event for which we need to prepare.

We got a lot of neat stuff which spun off the space program. It sure was expensive. A lot of folk raised families in aerospace jobs for about 50 years.

If our major motive was to find out where we came from-- we wasted a lot of time and money. The Bible tells us all about such things--for free.

How do we understand bumming rides to the Space Station from the Russians? That is incredibly preposterous.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James

 

[poncho]

No doubt Bro James we have much more important things to spend money on now like propping up dictators and fabricating enemies to fight and making sure no nation on the planet is deprived of a private international central bank and multinational corporations to mange their economies and resources for them.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Why would small government proponents favour spending tax dollars to keep putting humans in space? If the need is there let free enterprise do it. Isn't that the conservative position?

China or Russia building a lunar manned military base is quite a stretch, IMNSHO. The cost would be astronomical and I really can't see the tactical benefit of a military base so far away.

It looks like 2020 was the original target shutdown for the ISS anyway - Russia is not going to extend it. They are pulling out in 2020

Look, the US government put a man on the moon in less than 10 years. Surely, if there is enough interest and profit to the made, American free enterprise and capitalism can develop the means to keep the ISS open past 2020 and to keep it supplied with people and goods. If there is no interest and no profit, why bother?

Why buy cheap Russian cast off engines when American companies can build their own?
Wouldn't it be great to have the Russians off the ISS from 2020 on? Companies could buy advertising space and naming rights to various parts of the station. Hilton could build an attached hotel and Boeing could build a shuttle and sell tickets.

Come on American ingenuity and free enterprise! Now's your chance to step up to the plate and reassert US dominance in space!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

On second thought why doesn't some trillion dollar company buy the ISS and rent out space to interested companies?

 

[church mouse guy]

It's part of defense. You can't have both guns and butter and Democrats want butter. The USA is now a big European welfare state.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

It's part of defense. You can't have both guns and butter and Democrats want butter. The USA is now a big European welfare state.

How is manned space flight a part of the national defence?

I am out of the country, but try to keep up with the news. I didn't realise that American astronauts were involved in defending America.

I question the statement that you 'can't have guns and butter.' Indeed, don't you need both?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

It looks like 2020 was the original target shutdown for the ISS anyway - Russia is not going to extend it. They are pulling out in 2020

There is no evidence of that. They state only that they may cut off the U.S.'s access to the ISS after that date.

If there is a future in space, it will be accomplished, as others have mentioned, through private investment and the free enterprise method. But we have abandoned the ISS to the Russians. Yes, we spend $70 million per ride per person to be allowed by Putin and his crowd into the ISS. If we didn't spend that money, the ISS would become the military satellite of our enemies -- and yes, Russia is our enemy.

Putin is an old line communist with a nationalistic desire to "restore Russia's greatness." These fools don't even realize Russia was never great under communism. It was a facade, a false front to a movie set, behind which was nothing but badly constructed props and cheap imitations of western accomplishment. That doesn't matter to Putin. He will have the fakery back rather than do things the right way, because doing them the right way takes more time than anyone in this life has. Russia would be great by the middle of the next century if it adopted democratic and capitalistic approaches to government and economy. They don't have the patience.

That makes them very dangerous, to the U.S., and to the rest of the world. We would welcome them in peace, but they come armed and belligerent. It is therefore necessary to oppose them. This cretin in the guise of a president won't do it, for lack of a backbone and a desire to destroy the country from within. So there is no hope, except in Christ. We as Christians must prepare for our own persecution, perhaps martyrdom, until He comes for His church to take us home.

 

[InTheLight]

I dunno funding and arming a group of neo nazi thugs to overthrow an elected government to install one his central banker buddies at the head of a transnational corporate friendly coup government seems like pretty strong action to me.

Oh wait was this meant to be another "demonize Putin in spite of all the evidence" that Washington, the EU and the IMF started the ruckus in Ukraine threads? Ooopsies, my bad!

Attempt to derail thread noted.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

There is no evidence of that. They state only that they may cut off the U.S.'s access to the ISS after that date.

I didn't realise they had the power to deny the US access to the International Station. I wonder how they could do that? Would Japan and the ESA have to agree to the barring of US vehicles?

 

[InTheLight]

No doubt Bro James we have much more important things to spend money on now like propping up dictators and fabricating enemies to fight and making sure no nation on the planet is deprived of a private international central bank and multinational corporations to mange their economies and resources for them.

Attempt to derail thread noted, again.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I didn't realise they had the power to deny the US access to the International Station. I wonder how they could do that? Would Japan and the ESA have to agree to the barring of US vehicles?

Do you not realize that Russia has the sole method of transportation to the ISS right now, since the U.S. inexplicably retired the three remaining shuttles when they'd only been used through 12% of their life cycles? They were designed to be launched 400 times each. There were only 135 missions total. They could have been used for another 40 years!

Russia doesn't have to take anyone to the ISS. They do so for strictly profit motives -- they charge $70 million per person per ride. Someone doesn't want to pay, they don't go. The U.S. didn't charge to take foreign astronauts to the ISS.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

My earlier posts suggested that private companies gear up to do the job before 2020.

 

[church mouse guy]

How is manned space flight a part of the national defence?

I am out of the country, but try to keep up with the news. I didn't realise that American astronauts were involved in defending America.

I question the statement that you 'can't have guns and butter.' Indeed, don't you need both?

Aren't you overdoing the sarcasm a little? I know that you are too young to remember Sputnik and you probably went to a public school, huh?

Living in Europe and watching Russia march as she pleases, you should well know that the European welfare states have no defense capabilities, in case you never heard the expression guns and butter. The Democrats have groups such as Afro-Americans who have always been opposed to the space program.

The Democrats now have more people getting checks than working in the USA and the Democrats are saying that Obamacare will help people get out of full-time jobs to pursue finger painting and basket weaving and other personal fulfillment activities, as you know.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Not sure what all that has to do with the ISS but there is no sarcasm at all. For a country to be a success it needs guns and butter.

Anyway, Is government really a better solution than free enterprise?

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Not sure what all that has to do with the ISS but there is no sarcasm at all.

Is government really a better solution than free enterprise?

In the face of a hegemonically inclined Russian state, it is important that government do in the interim what free enterprise is striving to do, but cannot yet achieve. We cannot allow Russia to have the ISS as a military base. If we are forced out of it, now or later, that will happen.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

But isn't the US there till at least 2020. That ought to be plenty of time for a changeover.

I'm not so sure Russia has the resources to militarise the ISS anyway.

 

[church mouse guy]

Not sure what all that has to do with the ISS but there is no sarcasm at all. For a country to be a success it needs guns and butter.

Anyway, Is government really a better solution than free enterprise?

I guess that you don't know the expression guns and butter. Europe has lots of butter and you should start studying the Russian language, just in case, huh?

And I am amazed that you did not read in history what a defense worry Sputnik was. And what makes you think for one minute that the Russians will keep their word?

Finally, there has never been a high standard of living during a war. There are shortages of everything and money becomes scarce on both sides of any war. The USA was the only country to come out of WW II with prosperity and I suppose that you could argue that it was due to a huge national debt that is still with us. The standard of living has been level since the 1950s and there was no particular prosperity during the Vietnam war. Since Nine Eleven and the attack by Islamic terrorism, it has been one long recession and a shrinking of the middle class.