Was Sin committed?

[Salty]

Genesis 16:1-4
In this passage Sarai encourage Hagar to conceive with Abram.

There was no direct commandment against Adultery. There was a general custom to have multiple wives.

So was sin committed by any and or all three? If not then why did Sarai say in verse 5 "My wrong be upon thee"?

 

[Deacon]

And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.
Genesis 16:5 AV 1873

Then Sarai said to Abram, “May the wrong done to me be on you! I gave my slave-girl to your embrace, and when she saw that she had conceived, she looked on me with contempt. May the LORD judge between you and me!”
Genesis 16:5 NRSV

Then Sarai said to Abram, “This is all your fault! I put my servant into your arms, but now that she’s pregnant she treats me with contempt. The LORD will show who’s wrong—you or me!”
Genesis 16:5 NLT

Then Sarai said to Abram, “You are responsible for the wrong I am suffering. I put my servant in your arms, and now that she knows she is pregnant, she despises me. May the LORD judge between you and me.”
Genesis 16:5 TNIV

Then Sarai said to Abram, “You are responsible for my suffering! I put my slave in your arms, and ever since she saw that she was pregnant, she has looked down on me. May the LORD judge between me and you.”
Genesis 16:5 HCSB

Genesis 41
Vs 1 Problem presented (no child)

Vs 2 Sarai’s proposal
Vs 2 Abram’s response
Vs 3 Sarai’s action
Vs 4 Abram’s response
Vs 5 Hagar’s actions
Vs 5 Sarai’s response/charge
Vs 6 Abram’s proposal
Vs 6 Sarai’s response

As patriarchal (family) leader, Abram was responsible for everything that happened.
He didn’t have to listen to his wife, if he did the decision and it’s result was his, not hers.

Any "sin" that might have occurred in this episode, happened under the leadership and responsibility of Abram.
And Sarai knew that!

Rob

 

[Salty]

Any "sin" that might have occurred in this episode, happened under the leadership and responsibility of Abram. And Sarai knew that!
Rob

{note bold is my emphasis}

The question is: did Abram (or any of the 3) sin?

 

[donnA]

Distrusting God is sin isn't it, they tried to make God's promise happen believing God had failed them, His promise wasn't going to be fulfilled. Tried to take control of the situation.
Abram and Sarai sinned, I don't know about Hagar, never thought about it.

There was no direct commandment against Adultery

was there a direct commandment against murder when cain killed abel.
God created a husband and wife to become one, how many women can a man be one with, if all of him isn't one with one woman he isn't one with any of them. Being with more then one woman, or having more then one wife goes against God's saying the husband and wife are one. (wanted better wording but couldn't think of it, I'm in a hurry got things to do today)

 

[Deacon]

{note bold is my emphasis}

The question is: did Abram (or any of the 3) sin?

No, Abram didn't sin but he missed the mark. :tongue3:
He didn't walk in the path God planned.

I don't see that Abram directly sinned in disobedience but as Donna said, "they tried to make God's promise happen".
That doesn't work.... (I've tried it :tonofbricks: ).

Perhaps it's part of Abram's growing in the wisdom and knowledge of God.

Rob

 

[swaimj]

Abram sinned by taking his servant-girl and having relations. God gave a pattern of "one man-one wife-for life" when he joined Adam and Eve in the garden. The ancients knew this and were responsible for it.

 

[Jim1999]

Where did Adam's and Eve's sons and daughters get their partners from?

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Ulsterman]

"For whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Rom 14:23b. Seems straight forward enough. What is there to debate?

 

[swaimj]

Monkeys, Jim, Monkeys!

 

[Jim1999]

Two monkeys sitting in a tree
Discussing things meant to be
The dire disgrace
That man even thinks
He comes from me.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[OldRegular]

Where did Adam's and Eve's sons and daughters get their partners from?

Cheers,

Jim

They married their sisters, or brothers, whatever the need.

Of course if you are a theistic evolution they may have married missing links.

But back to the OP. Abraham sinned because he did not trust God to fulfill His promise or he lusted after Haggar. Sarah also sinned because she did not trust God to fulfill His promise.

 

[Salty]

The op is "What is Sin" please stay on topic

"For whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Rom 14:23b. Seems straight forward enough. What is there to debate?

Usterman, I agree, but Romans had not been written before the time of Abram. Thus is this a case of "ignorance of the law is no excuse"

Donna brought up a good point - God had not made a commandment against murder - do did Cain commit murder? Hmm

A third way to ask the question would be - why didn't God give the ten commandments in the Garden of Eden?

 

[Marcia]

Genesis 16:1-4
In this passage Sarai encourage Hagar to conceive with Abram.

There was no direct commandment against Adultery. There was a general custom to have multiple wives.

So was sin committed by any and or all three? If not then why did Sarai say in verse 5 "My wrong be upon thee"?

I think Abram and Sarai sinned because they did not believe God and wait on Him to provide the son. It was a sin of unbelief, imo.

As to Hagar, not sure. I don't think she had much choice in the matter and I don't know if she was a believer in the Biblical God or not at the time.

 

[Marcia]

The op is "What is Sin" please stay on topic



Usterman, I agree, but Romans had not been written before the time of Abram. Thus is this a case of "ignorance of the law is no excuse"

Donna brought up a good point - God had not made a commandment against murder - do did Cain commit murder? Hmm

A third way to ask the question would be - why didn't God give the ten commandments in the Garden of Eden?

I'm starting a thread on this (Cain and murder). Go to thread to give views instead of hijacking this one. :wavey:

 

[LeBuick]

"For whatsoever is not of faith is sin." Rom 14:23b. Seems straight forward enough. What is there to debate?

I agree, the sin was lack of faith. God said he would make him father of a great nation yet his wife was old and barren. It would take great faith under those circumstances to wait on the Lord. I have to admit I have lost patience in matters where the odds were greater than Abram.

Then again, without Ishmael we wouldn't have Muslims or the Holy war. This tells me it was always in Gods master plan.