No mention of instruments. No mention of tithes either. A little hypocrisy methinks.
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was The tithe JUST Under Old Covenant Or Now In the New?
- Thread starter JesusFan
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I believe that there exists a command to use musical instruments, but it is found only in the OT. Therefore it is unscriptural to use instruments in our churches today.
1. Nobody I believe advocates that acappella music is wrong and that muscial instruments are required.
2. Nobody I believe is teaching that giving 10% is wrong.
3. Teaching that 10% is required is what's wrong.
1. Nobody I believe advocates that acappella music is wrong and that muscial instruments are required.
2. Nobody I believe is teaching that giving 10% is wrong.
3. Teaching that 10% is required is what's wrong.
Spurgeon taught that having instruments in the church was wrong.
Wesley taught the same thing.
So did Adam Clarke.
--Would you stand with these great men of God and be consistent in your theology, if you say that tithing is wrong.
1. Nobody I believe advocates that acappella music is wrong and that muscial instruments are required.
2. Nobody I believe is teaching that giving 10% is wrong.
3. Teaching that 10% is required is what's wrong.
Not 'required" by God, but a good starting point, as how much MORE should we be willing to give back as we are on a newer/surer/better Covenant?
Spurgeon taught that having instruments in the church was wrong.
Wesley taught the same thing.
So did Adam Clarke.
--Would you stand with these great men of God and be consistent in your theology, if you say that tithing is wrong.
I would say they would be wrong for teaching that. Wouldn't you?
freeatlast
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I think the NT says to sell ALL that you have and give to the poor. This means you can't own anything. Pensions are not taught in the NT either. Guess we better give them up too.
This division of the Bible sounds more dispensational than biblical to me. But, I am just an ignorant fool saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ, what can I know!
Cheers,
Jim
No there is no command for us to sell all we have and give to the poor.
Not 'required" by God, but a good starting point, as how much MORE should we be willing to give back as we are on a newer/surer/better Covenant?
Yes or No: Do you give your entire "increase" 'to the Lord?'
Spurgeon on Musical Instruments:
Spurgeon was against them, but did not think them forbidden by God.
Also, since this was also Calvin's view, very few on this board could be accused of being true calvinists!
We who do not believe these things to be expedient in worship, lest they should mar its simplicity, do not affirm them to be unlawful, and if any George Herbert or Martin Luther can worship God better by the aid of well-tuned instruments, who shall gainsay their right? We do not need them, they would hinder than help our praise but if others are otherwise minded, are they not living in gospel liberty? - FROM SPURGEON'S COMMENTARY ON PSALM 33:2
Spurgeon was against them, but did not think them forbidden by God.
Also, since this was also Calvin's view, very few on this board could be accused of being true calvinists!
Yes or No: Do you give your entire "increase" 'to the Lord?'
we should be giving ALL that God blessed as with back to Him for service and use!
Sadly, I fall way short on this,as He wants my talents/time/prayers/relationships etc, not just Money commitmented fully unto Him!
we should be giving ALL that God blessed as with back to Him for service and use!
Yeah? Why is God that illogical? Why did he 'give' it to us in the first place? And then if it is given 'back to Him for service and use,' should whoever receives (what) of it "give it back?" By this stupid system, nothing would ever be done. Only Adam and Eve, before the fall, had any chance of this being feasible.
Sadly, I fall way short on this,as He wants my talents/time/prayers/relationships etc, not just Money commitmented fully unto Him!
I take it your answer is "No," though for some reason you didn't want to say that simplest of words. But are you ready to live in the forest, unclothed, never taking a step without prayer, as you seek berries to eat off bushes, praying for every bite, whether you swallow it or "give it back to Him," by giving it away to someone else? Come to think of it, nobody would ever eat it we gave away everything in that way.
Yeah? Why is God that illogical? Why did he 'give' it to us in the first place? And then if it is given 'back to Him for service and use,' should whoever receives (what) of it "give it back?" By this stupid system, nothing would ever be done. Only Adam and Eve, before the fall, had any chance of this being feasible.
I was referring to the biblcal fact that God owns everything, that he 'loans" it out to us for His glory, and IF he desires any/all of it, he should have access to it anytime!
So God would want us to use all things as he wants us to, just saying he has final call what/when![
I take it your answer is "No," though for some reason you didn't want to say that simplest of words. But are you ready to live in the forest, unclothed, never taking a step without prayer, as you seek berries to eat off bushes, praying for every bite, whether you swallow it or "give it back to Him," by giving it away to someone else? Come to think of it, nobody would ever eat it we gave away everything in that way.
just saying that whatever lifestyle the Lord desires to allow us to have is best for us, and some of us will have means to give A LOT, others a little, but God desires us to have a giving spirit![quote/]