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Wasted days and wasted nights?

alatide

New Member
I disagree, IMO, the mindset that puts the stamp of approval upon the death of the innocent, helpless and defenseless hardens the heart of an individual far more than warning them to avoid blood-guilt.

IMO, a Christian should not be a Democrat because the official position of the Democrat Party is "pro-choice" (pro-death actually).

On the other hand, I personally cannot be a member of the Republican Party either as they have proven themselves powerless to win a reversal of the Roe v. Wade decision.

So I am an independent without affiliation.

I'm not even sure if I could vote for a strong pro-life Democrat.
I'll have to decide if and when the opportunity presents itslef.

Psalm 51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.​

HankD​

That very well might be the best solution for me as well.
 

saturneptune

New Member
That very well might be the best solution for me as well.
That is a bunch of baloney. You have done nothing since you registered, (for the fourth time) but belittle, put down, and demean anyone or any idea that does not agree with either the Democratic platform, or the liberal, socialist agenda. Even when you get posters like myself or a few others that try to explain to you that there is a larger perspective than the Democrat-Republican divide, you continue to argue, because it does not agree with your warped agenda.

I was not sure at first, but Old Regular, Carpro, Rev Mitch, Donna, and others had you figured out long ago. It took me longer because I do not quite see eye to eye with some of them on the Republican Party.

Your posts are not designed to exchange ideas, they are designed to evoke an angry response, which you leave hanging. That is called a troll.

From my limited knowledge of networking, I do not understand why people who were banned cannot be detected if they are using the same IP address.

It takes a lot of gall for someone who supports the unGodly political agenda that you do to call anyone satanic or an instrument of satan.
 

alatide

New Member
That is a bunch of baloney. You have done nothing since you registered, (for the fourth time) but belittle, put down, and demean anyone or any idea that does not agree with either the Democratic platform, or the liberal, socialist agenda. Even when you get posters like myself or a few others that try to explain to you that there is a larger perspective than the Democrat-Republican divide, you continue to argue, because it does not agree with your warped agenda.

I was not sure at first, but Old Regular, Carpro, Rev Mitch, Donna, and others had you figured out long ago. It took me longer because I do not quite see eye to eye with some of them on the Republican Party.

Your posts are not designed to exchange ideas, they are designed to evoke an angry response, which you leave hanging. That is called a troll.

From my limited knowledge of networking, I do not understand why people who were banned cannot be detected if they are using the same IP address.

It takes a lot of gall for someone who supports the unGodly political agenda that you do to call anyone satanic or an instrument of satan.

Just take a look at the attacks I have suffered on this board. Contrary to what you claim, I post as much bona fide information here as anyone.
 

alatide

New Member
Alatide,

Thanks for taking the time to post your thoughts above, I took the time to really read what you said and do some soul-searching. The picky part of me has to jump out and correct some numbers that you used, no offense. :) I think your numbers you list for baby-boomers and busters is woefully low, according to the US Census bureau, there's around 60 million Busters and 71 million Boomers. The point is really moot, but I just thought I'd throw it out there anyway.

I truly FEEL what you're saying... I really do, and sometimes am drawn into the humanist thinking that maybe we really should be more understanding, more accepting of other's views of what is right and wrong, of what is moral and what is not. I also feel it would be so much easier in this life to be an athiest and lean on my prideful thinking that I, along with the rest of humanity, can figure out what is best for us.

I would be an awesome democrat I think as I look at the ideas about abortion, a woman's right to choose (pro-choice), federal healthcare and I see the sense in them from a purely human stand. It is so natural for me to WANT to join some socialist society where we all work for the betterment of humanity as a whole. It would be so simple for me to believe that we, as man, can come up with answers to our epic plight if I didn't believe in the Lord. If I could put Him aside, I could embrace the idea of Spaceship Earth, of evolution, of man's own greatness.

Alas I cannot embrace my own god-hood as I hold the Lord above all else, resting in the assurance that He is ALL that matters. I put my trust in Him and know that through His Son, Jesus Christ, my sins are forgiven and I am assured of an eternal salvation that I cannot gain by my own works.

As I accepted the fact that it was going to take you time to put together your post, I would ask you to show patience with me too. I am currently at work and my schedule over the next 5 days is quite hectic. I will be praying about this thread and putting together a post to show you why I cannot accept a lot of the humanist thinking in the democratic agenda and also why I am pondering an exodus to the Constitution Party, leaving the GOP in the dust, though I've not decided yet.

I'll likely be able to post this on Sunday or Monday. Until then, the rest of you be nice to Alatide in this thread instead of jumping on him for the slightest thing.

In Christ,

tw

All of my numbers came from the research done by the Barna Group and presented in the book unChristian. If you believe you have access to better information than they do why don't you contact them at

http://www.barna.org/

This is a Christian group which does research for Christian denominations, churches, etc. My post is not about the platform of the Democratic party but rather about the state of the church today. I do personally believe that a lot of the damage shown in my post has been done by the Christian Right (e.g. 50% of those we are trying to reach with the gospel believe that Christians are too political). Another point I didn't make earlier is that the unchurched in this age group believe that the term evangelical Christian refers to Christians that are very active in politics.

Do you think that the way outsiders look at Christians is important? I do and I think it is reflected in the lack of success we've had in the last 20 or 30 years in reaching out to unbelievers. I also believe that this kind of life style is not the one that Jesus asks us to live and is much more like the Pharisees than the early Christians. This is the topic not the Democratic party.
 

FlyForFun

New Member
Do you think that the way outsiders look at Christians is important? I do and I think it is reflected in the lack of success we've had in the last 20 or 30 years in reaching out to unbelievers. I also believe that this kind of life style is not the one that Jesus asks us to live and is much more like the Pharisees than the early Christians. This is the topic not the Democratic party.

"Success"?

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 

alatide

New Member
"Success"?

The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

If you're a Calvinist then I understand your comment. Otherwise it makes no sense.
 

targus

New Member
Do you think that the way outsiders look at Christians is important? I do and I think it is reflected in the lack of success we've had in the last 20 or 30 years in reaching out to unbelievers. I also believe that this kind of life style is not the one that Jesus asks us to live and is much more like the Pharisees than the early Christians. This is the topic not the Democratic party.

Perhaps the problem is that unbelievers don't see a difference between a Christian that supports abortion and a pagan.

For the past 20 or 30 years too many Christians have been giving lip service to not supporting abortion but then turn around and vote for the party with the pro-abortion platform plank.
 

FlyForFun

New Member
If you're a Calvinist then I understand your comment. Otherwise it makes no sense.

"Calvinist?"

How about "Bible believer?"

However, you're absolutely right. A word for word quote from 1 Corinthians 2 makes "no sense":


"12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.b 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. "
 

Twizzler

Member
All of my numbers came from the research done by the Barna Group and presented in the book unChristian. If you believe you have access to better information than they do why don't you contact them at.
Census 2000 counted 79.6 million U.S. residents born in the years 1946 to 1964, inclusive.

I'd say the US Census is a fairly good resource, wouldn't you?

I said the issue of numbers was moot in my original post, Alatide, why must you make more of it than was intended? I have been very polite to you throughout this thread and expect the same in return. As I stated as well, I'm quite busy for the next five days and want to make sure my post in response to yours is well thought-out rather than some off-the-cuff response. I was willing to wait for your reply before, even asking everyone to be nice to you, will you please reciprocate?

-tw
 

alatide

New Member
Perhaps the problem is that unbelievers don't see a difference between a Christian that supports abortion and a pagan.

For the past 20 or 30 years too many Christians have been giving lip service to not supporting abortion but then turn around and vote for the party with the pro-abortion platform plank.

No, the problem is that unbelievers don't see a difference between a professing Christian and themselves. Many times they see non-Christians acting more compassionately (not openly hating homosexuals, working to provide medical care and food for the poor) than Christians.
 

Twizzler

Member
No, the problem is that unbelievers don't see a difference between a professing Christian and themselves. Many times they see non-Christians acting more compassionately (not openly hating homosexuals, working to provide medical care and food for the poor) than Christians.

Could this possibly be because the media constantly shows off inflamatory rhetoric from so-called christians such as the 'God hates fags' signs that invariably crop up. Of course this is simply not true and there's a slur included to boot. Or maybe the fact that media seems to be lapping up liberal's so-called 'goodness' and spouting that all over the news while trying to smear evangelical christians?
 

EdSutton

New Member
I'm not going to "report" anyone here, but I will suggest that omitting such pejorative labels as "troll" and "idiot" would do little to harm discussion, here.

Ed
 

targus

New Member
No, the problem is that unbelievers don't see a difference between a professing Christian and themselves. Many times they see non-Christians acting more compassionately (not openly hating homosexuals, working to provide medical care and food for the poor) than Christians.

Where are non-Christians providing medical care and food to the poor - the current government attempts to take over health care not withstanding?
 
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