"...we could be a village, again, a tribe, again..."

[Quantrill]

1, Did I ignore Luke 12:51 or directly address it? I directly addressed it. Here again is what I said:

As for the Luke passage (Luke 12:51-53) Jesus is teaching His disciples (Jews) and indicating His gospel will divide them, some holding to the Old Covenant, and some accepting the New Covenant. So yet again, the passage indicates God offers salvation to all, including non-Jews, and some of the Jews will be unwilling to accept the Gentiles.​

2. And Van used the NASB direct quote, salvation is FROM the Jews. On this point I have now been misrepresented twice.

3. Your claim is racist and unbiblical. You seem to have ignored Galatians 3.

4. I am not "mixing" the lost with the saved, two very different groups. Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, the whole world, which includes those to be saved and those never to be saved.

I have shown scripture refutes your every claim. Your charges are false and without biblical basis.

Yes you ignored (Luke 12:51). "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division"

Jesus was not just speaking of His disciples. My claim is racist and Biblical. Division is of God and Christ.

The whole world is not saved. It consists of believers and non-believers.

Quantrill

 

[Van]

Yes you ignored (Luke 12:51). "Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division"
Jesus was not just speaking of His disciples. My claim is racist and Biblical. Division is of God and Christ.
The whole world is not saved. It consists of believers and non-believers.
Quantrill

1, Did I ignore Luke 12:51 or directly address it? I directly addressed it. Here again is what I said:
As for the Luke passage (Luke 12:51-53) Jesus is teaching His disciples (Jews) and indicating His gospel will divide them [Jews], some holding to the Old Covenant, and some accepting the New Covenant. So yet again, the passage indicates God offers salvation to all, including non-Jews, and some of the Jews will be unwilling to accept the Gentiles.

2. Did I say Jesus was only speaking to His disciples. Nope. The division brought about by the New Covenant was within the Jewish people.

3. Did I say the whole world was saved? Nope, I said Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all mankind, those to be saved and those never to be saved.

 

[Van]

I have no problem with the Jew needing to be born-again. What makes you think I do?

The verses I cited show that God and Christ are quite racist. Now you want to introduce 'luuuvve'. Oh yes, Because we must 'luuuve' everyone. Yet God does not love everyone. Where do you get that ideal (SNIP)
Quantrill

Sir, you are simply ignoring the evidence and posting falsehood after falsehood concerning God and Christ.

 

[Quantrill]

1, Did I ignore Luke 12:51 or directly address it? I directly addressed it. Here again is what I said:
As for the Luke passage (Luke 12:51-53) Jesus is teaching His disciples (Jews) and indicating His gospel will divide them [Jews], some holding to the Old Covenant, and some accepting the New Covenant. So yet again, the passage indicates God offers salvation to all, including non-Jews, and some of the Jews will be unwilling to accept the Gentiles.

2. Did I say Jesus was only speaking to His disciples. Nope. The division brought about by the New Covenant was within the Jewish people.

3. Did I say the whole world was saved? Nope, I said Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all mankind, those to be saved and those never to be saved.

But (Luke 12:51) is clear that Christ is not just speaking to His disciples. The division He brings is upon the whole earth. Not just between the Old Covenant and New Covenant. Upon the whole earth.

Upon the whole earth speaks to the whole earth. Not just the Jewish people. Christ divides.

You need to recognize the difference between the world and the believers.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Sir, you are simply ignoring the evidence and posting falsehood after falsehood concerning God and Christ.

No, I'm just disagreeing with you.

Quantrill